karen15 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Had a scary conversation with my niece (10 yo) today. They have a new puppy, fair enough. She said it was six weeks old. That's way too young for a puppy to be homed isn't it? I always thought 8 weeks minimum, 10 weeks was better. My puppy was born 26th May and I picked him up 1st August. He was the last to go home and a week or so later than the breeder said he could be collected, but it was when I started my three months puppy leave :D and breeder was happy to keep him that little bit longer for me. I'm hoping my niece is wrong on the pups' age..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 8 weeks is the minimum age for registered breeders. My breed is usually 10-12 weeks (Italian Greyhound). Not sure what the law says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 will the pup be vaccinated and microchipped at that age ,our puppies go after 8 weeks we don't microchip to nail 7/8 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Some people not recommended thou do wean at 6 weeks. LAzy people ? Not good for pups as they lose at least 2 weeks learning from mum. Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhok Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I think in NSW you aren't suppose to let them go to new homes until 8 weeks old. --Lhok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjosa Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 My babies leave home at 12.5 weeks of age, they do not get their first vaccinations until 7.5 weeks they get micro chipped and spinal xrays at the same time, then I get their second vaccination, by this time they have been taught manners by their Dam, and are well and truly set up for a happy life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoDi Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 In Queensland you aren't supposed to microchip until a puppy is 8 weeks and you aren't to supply a puppy without a microchip. Maybe make a note to mention to them to chase up with their vet if the puppy has been chipped? I believe the 6-8 week period is where a puppy learns how to interact with other Dogs from their mother. A good puppy pre-school should definitely be on the agenda if the pup was taken that early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) As mentioned, registered breeders must under ANKC (and relevant state) regulations not place a puppy in their new home until a minimum of 8 weeks of age. State government legislation varies, however most such as Vic and NSW state they must not go to their new homes before 8 weeks. From memory Qld is an odd one out in this respect and does not specify a particular age? Many breeders will place pups later (noting 8 weeks is the minimum, but what is good for the pup can vary from breed to breed and also based on an individual pups needs). Studies show that pups need that vital time up to 8 weeks of age with their littermates (more so than mum in the last couple of weeks) to help learn 'dog language' and that pups placed early can have a greater risk of aggression and fear related issues etc as adults. Claims that a pup is 'old enough' at 6 weeks because it is 'weaned' is just cutting corners and not in the best interests of the pups or their new home. Edited July 24, 2016 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 My babies leave home at 12.5 weeks of age, they do not get their first vaccinations until 7.5 weeks they get micro chipped and spinal xrays at the same time, then I get their second vaccination, by this time they have been taught manners by their Dam, and are well and truly set up for a happy life. I'd come knocking on your door. :) Your call is closer to what I'd want (speaking only for myself) ...a couple or few extra weeks beyond the 8 mark for mum to do some post-grad work in socialising for manners as well as that valuable experience of further contact with the human family (& life). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjosa Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 :) You would be welcome Mita, these are the protocols that I have followed for most of my life breeding dogs, since 1969, I always aim for well adjusted happy babies, I spend so much time on the floor :laugh: with them it is our time, playing with them and just loving them, I never have to advertise as I always have a waiting list, a lot by word of mouth and people coming back for their second or third puppy. As far as the waiting list is concerned only people that I have been in constant contact with and I feel they reach my criteria are on there. I also offer to look after the dogs when they have holidays or if for some reason they cannot keep the dog they must bring them back to me and I will find a suitable home, that has only happened once in all the years I have been breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen15 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 The puppy is definitely not from a breeder. It's a border collie x cattle dog. I'm just surprised as my sister should know better. I'm hoping my niece has the age wrong, kids can do that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) :) You would be welcome Mita, these are the protocols that I have followed for most of my life breeding dogs, since 1969, I always aim for well adjusted happy babies, I spend so much time on the floor :laugh: with them it is our time, playing with them and just loving them, I never have to advertise as I always have a waiting list, a lot by word of mouth and people coming back for their second or third puppy. As far as the waiting list is concerned only people that I have been in constant contact with and I feel they reach my criteria are on there. I also offer to look after the dogs when they have holidays or if for some reason they cannot keep the dog they must bring them back to me and I will find a suitable home, that has only happened once in all the years I have been breeding. It doesn't surprise me there's long experience & other good calls (IMO) that go with your belief in the benefits of that extra time with mum etc. There's such rapid & rich neural development in those early weeks. And you're tapping into that. I love all that you've described! Spot on. I totally agree about the value of word of mouth. Guess who'll be squirrelling away your details! :) Edited July 25, 2016 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The puppy is definitely not from a breeder. It's a border collie x cattle dog. I'm just surprised as my sister should know better. I'm hoping my niece has the age wrong, kids can do that.... Ooooh I hope so! Of all breeds to get early, they've got a mix of two mouthy herding dogs, eek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjosa Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Thanks Mita, squirrel away all you like :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eza Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 My breeder allowed dogs to go home at 8 weeks. We waited until 9 weeks as it worked in better with our schedule (had to travel to the city to get him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 The puppy is definitely not from a breeder. It's a border collie x cattle dog. I'm just surprised as my sister should know better. I'm hoping my niece has the age wrong, kids can do that.... Oh Dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen15 Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 They've had cattle dogs for decades, so the breed isn't such an issue. They currently have 2 dogs - a cattle dog and Rottweiler. Is the puppy likely to learn from them what it would have learned if left with litter mates and mum? My first guess is no as puppy only has supervised interactions, obviously. But maybe its better than no dogs...... Not much I can do about it as they are a long way away from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 They've had cattle dogs for decades, so the breed isn't such an issue. They currently have 2 dogs - a cattle dog and Rottweiler. Is the puppy likely to learn from them what it would have learned if left with litter mates and mum? My first guess is no as puppy only has supervised interactions, obviously. But maybe its better than no dogs...... Not much I can do about it as they are a long way away from me. :) glad they have a) experience , and b) other dogs . pup will learn some manners , but not like being with litter/mum. Mind you , when I was young, 6 weeks was always the time we got new pups .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Some people not recommended thou do wean at 6 weeks. LAzy people ? Not good for pups as they lose at least 2 weeks learning from mum. Sad You think? My last litter, the bitch turned off the milk bar at exactly four weeks of age. There was no way she was letting them feed and it didn't matter that she clearly was sore and engorged...wasn't happening. So I took over. Pups still ended up being typical pups, happy and bouncy.....Although they do interact with supervision with the other adults. Did you realise that for best results it's recommended that pups do not have their first innoculation until weaned from their mother? What about all those pups that are hand raised and have no mother due to tragic situations? I can tell you first hand, that they all turned out just fine and know how to be dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sje78 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I've never heard anyone at less than 8 weeks and 12 weeks is better IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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