Working Towards The Future

[Pjrt]

Breed standards are not the demon in the piece. Breeding and rewarding exaggeration IS.

/End thread haha

Ok, so stop rewarding breeding for exaggeration. It's obviously rewarded somehow for breeders to move in that direction.

Scootaloo that is exactly the sort of response that leaves Jo public to disregard registered breeders.

I'm not here with any particular agenda. I just want to promote deep and thoughtful discussion of pros and cons. I'm not going to dismiss what other people are saying. I may even learn things.

If pedigree breeders know the problems they need to be seen to be working towards rectifying them. Not bitching backstabbing and poking fun at people with other ideas

[BlaznHotAussies]

Sorry to be tongue in cheek. I agree that the breeder perception has to change. Some people don't want to see any different; you could show them immaculate kennels, dogs spending time indoors when the family is home, well-exercised and groomed dogs and there would still be something wrong with it.

[Sheridan]

But you are still not hearing it .The types of health screening you are talking about reduce recessives and ensure that a dog used for breeding is in good condition for her breed etc

All dogs can get these types of issues no matter what they look like and no one is disputing that these things will help in reducing these types of things.

The things that are being targeted or at least targeted first are things that are unique to specific breeds that cant be fixed unless they LOOK less extreme.

One Example

British Bulldog - Country of Origin has changed its breed standard - Australia wont accept the amendments because of ANKC policy .

Specific example of one of the differences is

British has been changed to "Skull relatively large in circumference" Source The Australian one says "The skull should be very large - the larger the better - and in circumference should measure (round in front of the ears) at least the height of the dog at the shoulders. Source

The ANKC is not demonstrating that it is doing anything to lower the incidence of dogs suffering due to their conformation. The stuff they say they are doing doesn't count because they cant see what it is that people other than them are seeing as cruelty.

Most other countries have adopted the amended breed standard and some have introduced mandatory testing such as the one the MDBA has for brachy head dogs to test their fitness level before during and after exercise so we can gauge where they are and demonstrate how we are getting improvement even if it means they dont quite fit the Australian breed standard

Have a look at these breeds 100 years ago and accept we are looking pretty bad - stop defending the indefensible and REALLY become proactive put in place action plans,mandatory breeding protocols to enable us to demonstrate that WE GET IT and what we are doing and what progress we can demonstrate we are getting as we proceed

There are currently half a dozen breeds which have to have mandatory testing to register a litter with the ANKC - mickey mouse tests which do not have anything to do with how the dog's welfare is compromised by its looks or its selection.

Even if a breed club recommends them a recommendation means nothing.

Purebred breeders will spew forth "why would you breed a dog that isn't a good example of the breed standard" and no dog that is out side of the current standard is going to get a shot at a championship.

These dogs were never intended for racing etc

The MDBA has health results on every pedigree and it records health issues such as allergies etc. Data is collected from several sources especially puppy buyers. We have introduced fitness tests for brachy head dogs pre,during and post exercise we are in the process right now of introducing breeding protocols across the board which are about health and welfare.

We intend to show that we get it and what we are doing about it, be seen to be doing something about it. Show that it can be done before its at a point where some things we take for granted are banned.

Health results on every breed. What does that mean exactly.

[Steve]

But you are still not hearing it .The types of health screening you are talking about reduce recessives and ensure that a dog used for breeding is in good condition for her breed etc

All dogs can get these types of issues no matter what they look like and no one is disputing that these things will help in reducing these types of things.

The things that are being targeted or at least targeted first are things that are unique to specific breeds that cant be fixed unless they LOOK less extreme.

One Example

British Bulldog - Country of Origin has changed its breed standard - Australia wont accept the amendments because of ANKC policy .

Specific example of one of the differences is

British has been changed to "Skull relatively large in circumference" Source The Australian one says "The skull should be very large - the larger the better - and in circumference should measure (round in front of the ears) at least the height of the dog at the shoulders. Source

The ANKC is not demonstrating that it is doing anything to lower the incidence of dogs suffering due to their conformation. The stuff they say they are doing doesn't count because they cant see what it is that people other than them are seeing as cruelty.

Most other countries have adopted the amended breed standard and some have introduced mandatory testing such as the one the MDBA has for brachy head dogs to test their fitness level before during and after exercise so we can gauge where they are and demonstrate how we are getting improvement even if it means they dont quite fit the Australian breed standard

Have a look at these breeds 100 years ago and accept we are looking pretty bad - stop defending the indefensible and REALLY become proactive put in place action plans,mandatory breeding protocols to enable us to demonstrate that WE GET IT and what we are doing and what progress we can demonstrate we are getting as we proceed

There are currently half a dozen breeds which have to have mandatory testing to register a litter with the ANKC - mickey mouse tests which do not have anything to do with how the dog's welfare is compromised by its looks or its selection.

Even if a breed club recommends them a recommendation means nothing.

Purebred breeders will spew forth "why would you breed a dog that isn't a good example of the breed standard" and no dog that is out side of the current standard is going to get a shot at a championship.

These dogs were never intended for racing etc

The MDBA has health results on every pedigree and it records health issues such as allergies etc. Data is collected from several sources especially puppy buyers. We have introduced fitness tests for brachy head dogs pre,during and post exercise we are in the process right now of introducing breeding protocols across the board which are about health and welfare.

We intend to show that we get it and what we are doing about it, be seen to be doing something about it. Show that it can be done before its at a point where some things we take for granted are banned.

Health results on every breed. What does that mean exactly.

If the dog or any of its ancestors have had health tests or scores done that is recorded on the pedigree which every person who owns a dog for at least 4 generations can see by simply looking at the pedigree.

.If any of the dogs in the family tree turn up with any illness or problem that is recorded, in some breeds what each ancestor did for work or activity is recorded, all qualifications are recorded not just those which are affiliated with the ANKC /FCI

So if grandad had crook hips, or grandma needed a Csection, if cousins had allergies etc its all there.

Puppy buyers can see that these things are important for their breeder when selecting breeding dogs and breeders can see things they might need to consider when choosing a mate. Its not reliant on someone's memory or honesty in relaying information pertinent to pedigree profiling.

These things are then tracked so we know if any particular pattern is showing for any breed or lines way before you would normally know so breeders can be advised if new tests are required or if tests being done are wasting their money etc.

[Sheridan]

Pedigree dogs, especially certain breeds have a serious PR problem.

Instead of breeders and the Kennel and Breed clubs sticking their heads in the sand they need to be proactive and do something BEFORE there is more uproar and calls for regulation.

I've been saying this for years and it's only in the last year that a few people have started to agree with me. Quite a lot of prominent DOLers lambasted me for saying so because I'd never bred a litter and didn't show dogs. I didn't know what I was talking about.

Because doing something and being proactive needs more than trying to defend why we breed them or how registered breeders are beyond being accused of cruelty.

Its going to take identifying the selection errors and being seen to be doing something and demonstrating how what they are doing is making progress.

The greyhound people cannot see how what they do is seen by others as being so cruel they are being shut down and ANKC breeders are no different and will still be saying we dont get it when it comes.

I'll point out, gently, that you were one of those DOLers.

[Sheridan]

But you are still not hearing it .The types of health screening you are talking about reduce recessives and ensure that a dog used for breeding is in good condition for her breed etc

All dogs can get these types of issues no matter what they look like and no one is disputing that these things will help in reducing these types of things.

The things that are being targeted or at least targeted first are things that are unique to specific breeds that cant be fixed unless they LOOK less extreme.

One Example

British Bulldog - Country of Origin has changed its breed standard - Australia wont accept the amendments because of ANKC policy .

Specific example of one of the differences is

British has been changed to "Skull relatively large in circumference" Source The Australian one says "The skull should be very large - the larger the better - and in circumference should measure (round in front of the ears) at least the height of the dog at the shoulders. Source

The ANKC is not demonstrating that it is doing anything to lower the incidence of dogs suffering due to their conformation. The stuff they say they are doing doesn't count because they cant see what it is that people other than them are seeing as cruelty.

Most other countries have adopted the amended breed standard and some have introduced mandatory testing such as the one the MDBA has for brachy head dogs to test their fitness level before during and after exercise so we can gauge where they are and demonstrate how we are getting improvement even if it means they dont quite fit the Australian breed standard

Have a look at these breeds 100 years ago and accept we are looking pretty bad - stop defending the indefensible and REALLY become proactive put in place action plans,mandatory breeding protocols to enable us to demonstrate that WE GET IT and what we are doing and what progress we can demonstrate we are getting as we proceed

There are currently half a dozen breeds which have to have mandatory testing to register a litter with the ANKC - mickey mouse tests which do not have anything to do with how the dog's welfare is compromised by its looks or its selection.

Even if a breed club recommends them a recommendation means nothing.

Purebred breeders will spew forth "why would you breed a dog that isn't a good example of the breed standard" and no dog that is out side of the current standard is going to get a shot at a championship.

These dogs were never intended for racing etc

The MDBA has health results on every pedigree and it records health issues such as allergies etc. Data is collected from several sources especially puppy buyers. We have introduced fitness tests for brachy head dogs pre,during and post exercise we are in the process right now of introducing breeding protocols across the board which are about health and welfare.

We intend to show that we get it and what we are doing about it, be seen to be doing something about it. Show that it can be done before its at a point where some things we take for granted are banned.

Health results on every breed. What does that mean exactly.

If the dog or any of its ancestors have had health tests or scores done that is recorded on the pedigree which every person who owns a dog for at least 4 generations can see by simply looking at the pedigree.

.If any of the dogs in the family tree turn up with any illness or problem that is recorded, in some breeds what each ancestor did for work or activity is recorded, all qualifications are recorded not just those which are affiliated with the ANKC /FCI

So if grandad had crook hips, or grandma needed a Csection, if cousins had allergies etc its all there.

Puppy buyers can see that these things are important for their breeder when selecting breeding dogs and breeders can see things they might need to consider when choosing a mate. Its not reliant on someone's memory or honesty in relaying information pertinent to pedigree profiling.

These things are then tracked so we know if any particular pattern is showing for any breed or lines way before you would normally know so breeders can be advised if new tests are required or if tests being done are wasting their money etc.

But you've said you don't have any wheaten breeders. Even if you did I can't imagine that breeders who aren't members would consent to their dogs details being handed over to a private business.

[Steve]

But you are still not hearing it .The types of health screening you are talking about reduce recessives and ensure that a dog used for breeding is in good condition for her breed etc

All dogs can get these types of issues no matter what they look like and no one is disputing that these things will help in reducing these types of things.

The things that are being targeted or at least targeted first are things that are unique to specific breeds that cant be fixed unless they LOOK less extreme.

One Example

British Bulldog - Country of Origin has changed its breed standard - Australia wont accept the amendments because of ANKC policy .

Specific example of one of the differences is

British has been changed to "Skull relatively large in circumference" Source The Australian one says "The skull should be very large - the larger the better - and in circumference should measure (round in front of the ears) at least the height of the dog at the shoulders. Source

The ANKC is not demonstrating that it is doing anything to lower the incidence of dogs suffering due to their conformation. The stuff they say they are doing doesn't count because they cant see what it is that people other than them are seeing as cruelty.

Most other countries have adopted the amended breed standard and some have introduced mandatory testing such as the one the MDBA has for brachy head dogs to test their fitness level before during and after exercise so we can gauge where they are and demonstrate how we are getting improvement even if it means they dont quite fit the Australian breed standard

Have a look at these breeds 100 years ago and accept we are looking pretty bad - stop defending the indefensible and REALLY become proactive put in place action plans,mandatory breeding protocols to enable us to demonstrate that WE GET IT and what we are doing and what progress we can demonstrate we are getting as we proceed

There are currently half a dozen breeds which have to have mandatory testing to register a litter with the ANKC - mickey mouse tests which do not have anything to do with how the dog's welfare is compromised by its looks or its selection.

Even if a breed club recommends them a recommendation means nothing.

Purebred breeders will spew forth "why would you breed a dog that isn't a good example of the breed standard" and no dog that is out side of the current standard is going to get a shot at a championship.

These dogs were never intended for racing etc

The MDBA has health results on every pedigree and it records health issues such as allergies etc. Data is collected from several sources especially puppy buyers. We have introduced fitness tests for brachy head dogs pre,during and post exercise we are in the process right now of introducing breeding protocols across the board which are about health and welfare.

We intend to show that we get it and what we are doing about it, be seen to be doing something about it. Show that it can be done before its at a point where some things we take for granted are banned.

Health results on every breed. What does that mean exactly.

If the dog or any of its ancestors have had health tests or scores done that is recorded on the pedigree which every person who owns a dog for at least 4 generations can see by simply looking at the pedigree.

.If any of the dogs in the family tree turn up with any illness or problem that is recorded, in some breeds what each ancestor did for work or activity is recorded, all qualifications are recorded not just those which are affiliated with the ANKC /FCI

So if grandad had crook hips, or grandma needed a Csection, if cousins had allergies etc its all there.

Puppy buyers can see that these things are important for their breeder when selecting breeding dogs and breeders can see things they might need to consider when choosing a mate. Its not reliant on someone's memory or honesty in relaying information pertinent to pedigree profiling.

These things are then tracked so we know if any particular pattern is showing for any breed or lines way before you would normally know so breeders can be advised if new tests are required or if tests being done are wasting their money etc.

But you've said you don't have any wheaten breeders. Even if you did I can't imagine that breeders who aren't members would consent to their dogs details being handed over to a private business.

Puppy buyers are happy to hand over their dog's health issues and accomplishments. We knew from day one that we couldn't rely on breeders for such info alone and just because we don't have breeders of any particular breed doesn't mean we are not collecting data and recording it as it comes to us. If you want to be picky some breeds we have lots of info on others not much yet but as it arrives its added in so it can be used to help people breed great dogs.

Do you think OFA, Pennhip Orivet etc are not private companies?

[Sheridan]

But you are still not hearing it .The types of health screening you are talking about reduce recessives and ensure that a dog used for breeding is in good condition for her breed etc

All dogs can get these types of issues no matter what they look like and no one is disputing that these things will help in reducing these types of things.

The things that are being targeted or at least targeted first are things that are unique to specific breeds that cant be fixed unless they LOOK less extreme.

One Example

British Bulldog - Country of Origin has changed its breed standard - Australia wont accept the amendments because of ANKC policy .

Specific example of one of the differences is

British has been changed to "Skull relatively large in circumference" Source The Australian one says "The skull should be very large - the larger the better - and in circumference should measure (round in front of the ears) at least the height of the dog at the shoulders. Source

The ANKC is not demonstrating that it is doing anything to lower the incidence of dogs suffering due to their conformation. The stuff they say they are doing doesn't count because they cant see what it is that people other than them are seeing as cruelty.

Most other countries have adopted the amended breed standard and some have introduced mandatory testing such as the one the MDBA has for brachy head dogs to test their fitness level before during and after exercise so we can gauge where they are and demonstrate how we are getting improvement even if it means they dont quite fit the Australian breed standard

Have a look at these breeds 100 years ago and accept we are looking pretty bad - stop defending the indefensible and REALLY become proactive put in place action plans,mandatory breeding protocols to enable us to demonstrate that WE GET IT and what we are doing and what progress we can demonstrate we are getting as we proceed

There are currently half a dozen breeds which have to have mandatory testing to register a litter with the ANKC - mickey mouse tests which do not have anything to do with how the dog's welfare is compromised by its looks or its selection.

Even if a breed club recommends them a recommendation means nothing.

Purebred breeders will spew forth "why would you breed a dog that isn't a good example of the breed standard" and no dog that is out side of the current standard is going to get a shot at a championship.

These dogs were never intended for racing etc

The MDBA has health results on every pedigree and it records health issues such as allergies etc. Data is collected from several sources especially puppy buyers. We have introduced fitness tests for brachy head dogs pre,during and post exercise we are in the process right now of introducing breeding protocols across the board which are about health and welfare.

We intend to show that we get it and what we are doing about it, be seen to be doing something about it. Show that it can be done before its at a point where some things we take for granted are banned.

Health results on every breed. What does that mean exactly.

If the dog or any of its ancestors have had health tests or scores done that is recorded on the pedigree which every person who owns a dog for at least 4 generations can see by simply looking at the pedigree.

.If any of the dogs in the family tree turn up with any illness or problem that is recorded, in some breeds what each ancestor did for work or activity is recorded, all qualifications are recorded not just those which are affiliated with the ANKC /FCI

So if grandad had crook hips, or grandma needed a Csection, if cousins had allergies etc its all there.

Puppy buyers can see that these things are important for their breeder when selecting breeding dogs and breeders can see things they might need to consider when choosing a mate. Its not reliant on someone's memory or honesty in relaying information pertinent to pedigree profiling.

These things are then tracked so we know if any particular pattern is showing for any breed or lines way before you would normally know so breeders can be advised if new tests are required or if tests being done are wasting their money etc.

But you've said you don't have any wheaten breeders. Even if you did I can't imagine that breeders who aren't members would consent to their dogs details being handed over to a private business.

Puppy buyers are happy to hand over their dog's health issues and accomplishments. We knew from day one that we couldn't rely on breeders for such info alone and just because we don't have breeders of any particular breed doesn't mean we are not collecting data and recording it as it comes to us. If you want to be picky some breeds we have lots of info on others not much yet but as it arrives its added in so it can be used to help people breed great dogs.

Do you think OFA, Pennhip Orivet etc are not private companies?

I can clearly see that OFA et al are private companies.

[Salukifan]

I have often wondered why the ANKC can't be more proactive like the AKC is. Yes the AKC does get somethings wrong, but as a whole they do have a share of the public's attention.

--Lhok

The AKC has 90 full time employees and an operating budget that goes to seven figures.

Resources matter.

[bridgie_cat]

there is a wonderful resource in Sweden (and I think some of the surrounding countries?) where they register the relevant health testing results in a breed (for shelties it is eye test results for CEA and PRA and also hip scores). It is an automatic registration of all dogs tested, so does not rely on the breeders displaying these or sharing the pedigree. Even MORE than that - there is a tab which displays the litter statistics for each dog!! Number of puppies born, number tested, results as a base number, and as a percentage of tested puppies for each health trait....

This does not mean that they don't breed from CEA affected dogs there - it just means there is a very honest and well documented record for all the dogs that EVERYONE can see so they can make informed and smart decisions re the risk of using various dogs or lines.

I would LOVE to see this type of record keeping and sharing come into Australia... I just dont know who to ask...

[Lhok]

I have often wondered why the ANKC can't be more proactive like the AKC is. Yes the AKC does get somethings wrong, but as a whole they do have a share of the public's attention.

--Lhok

The AKC has 90 full time employees and an operating budget that goes to seven figures.

Resources matter.

If resources matter why not do away with the states and restructure it so there is only one body then? Also how'd the AKC get to where it is today? it started small and worked up. If we continue with the excuses as to why this and that can't be done we will never get anywhere.

--Lhok

Edited July 17, 2016 by Lhok

[Steve]

I have often wondered why the ANKC can't be more proactive like the AKC is. Yes the AKC does get somethings wrong, but as a whole they do have a share of the public's attention.

--Lhok

The AKC has 90 full time employees and an operating budget that goes to seven figures.

Resources matter.

If resources matter why not do away with the states and restructure it so there is only one body then? Also how'd the AKC get to where it is today? it started small and worked up. If we continue with the excuses as to why this and that can't be done we will never get anywhere.

--Lhok

Well for a start the AKC don't have members they simply register dogs and have a show system. Their breed clubs rule what is and isnt able to be registered - prime example of this is the Dalmatian club still blocking the ability to open the stud book for preventing a genetic disease some 16 years after it was possible and breed clubs run the show and they affiliate they recognise them for a fee and issue awards.

[Lhok]

I have often wondered why the ANKC can't be more proactive like the AKC is. Yes the AKC does get somethings wrong, but as a whole they do have a share of the public's attention.

--Lhok

The AKC has 90 full time employees and an operating budget that goes to seven figures.

Resources matter.

If resources matter why not do away with the states and restructure it so there is only one body then? Also how'd the AKC get to where it is today? it started small and worked up. If we continue with the excuses as to why this and that can't be done we will never get anywhere.

--Lhok

Well for a start the AKC don't have members they simply register dogs and have a show system. Their breed clubs rule what is and isnt able to be registered - prime example of this is the Dalmatian club still blocking the ability to open the stud book for preventing a genetic disease some 16 years after it was possible and breed clubs run the show and they affiliate they recognise them for a fee and issue awards.

To be completely honest though all I can see are excuses as to why something can't/won't be done.

I don't care about the breed clubs in America and what they will and won't register. You state that the AKC has a show system and is a register on their website (which looks miles better and is way more infomative than the ANKC one) it has this as a mission statement:

"The American Kennel Club is dedicated to upholding the integrity of its Registry, promoting the sport of purebred dogs and breeding for type and function. Founded in 1884, the AKC® and its affiliated organizations advocate for the purebred dog as a family companion, advance canine health and well-being, work to protect the rights of all dog owners and promote responsible dog ownership.

Objective

Advance the study, breeding, exhibiting, running and maintenance of purebred dogs.

Core Values

We love purebred dogs.

We are committed to advancing the sport of the purebred dog.

We are dedicated to maintaining the integrity of our Registry.

We protect the health and well-being of all dogs.

We cherish dogs as companions.

We are committed to the interests of dog owners.

We uphold high standards for the administration and operation of the AKC.

We recognize the critical importance of our clubs and volunteers.

On the ANKC website it has as its mission statement as:

"To promote excellence in breeding, showing, trialling, obedience and other canine related activities and the ownership of temperamentally and physically sound pure bred dogs by responsible individuals across Australia.

To promote responsible dog ownership and encourage State Member Bodies to put in place programs to that effect.

To act as spokesperson on all canine related activities on a National basis on behalf of State Member Bodies and to pledge assistance and support to the respective State Member Bodies."

To me their objectives sound the same, So again I ask why isn't the ANKC being proactive like the AKC?

--Lhok

[Salukifan]

Lhok:

To be completely honest though all I can see are excuses as to why something can't/won't be done.

No, what you see is why comparisons to another country's far larger Kennel Club aren't realistic.

The USA has a largely professionalised show scene where syndication of dogs is required to afford the handling, advertising etc required to get a competitive dog to Westminster.

That's not something I want for here.

I think things can be done but not on the scale achievable in the USA.

In the meantime it is dog breeders and exhibitors giving up their time to staff the shows like Dog Expo and Dog Lovers all over the country. Those are things that pet dog owners could (and in my view should) be stepping up to help out with. Some do but more could.

When people stop telling others what "they" should be doing and ask what "we" could be doing perhaps we'll get somewhere.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Haredown Whippets

[Lhok]

I'm giving suggestions, because I want this to work.

I have no issues with rolling up my sleeves and actually doing work I have looked into helping running shows and what not, but to this day I haven't been able to actually find out how to.

But I do spend a good chunk of my time talking to people on facebook in the various groups I am in explaining how the ANKC works and how the papers are issued with pups.

As an aside to prove how well the promotion of purebreds is: I just went to the Dogs NSW site. There is no mention of the Dog lovers show on the Front page of the website you have to look under Canine activities in a drop down box under activities and events you would think that something as big as the dog lovers show would be on the front page to promote purebred dogs.

--Lhok

[Jed]

I think that the genetics of canine behaviour will be the next frontier in dog breed improvement. Many behavioural characteristics are likely to be genetically multi-factorial, but time and again I have observed behavioural quirks that are passed down the generations in certain strains of dogs. The ability to identify and, if desired, eliminate these quirks could transform dog breeding in the way that the identification and elimination of the genes responsible for health problems is already doing.

One of the biggest barriers to dogs being accepted in rental and high density accommodation is the perceived noise problem. To the extent that barking is genetic, it would be great to see breeders selecting against this trait. In effect, producing an "urban" dog; one who's behaviour would more closely match the requirements of a good pet.

Some PUREBRED dogs do not bark very much. The answer to keeping landlords happy is to purchase one of these breeds.

Yes breeders can breed away from barking - and many do - but it can be an individual thing ..... so much better for a prospective owner to research the breeds which do not bark a lot. There is a wide choice from Pekingese to Great Dane. And many between.

Watchers and guarders bark a great deal - so do some herders

Edited July 18, 2016 by Jed

[Jed]

Breed standards are not the demon in the piece. Breeding and rewarding exaggeration IS.

/End thread haha

Ok, so stop rewarding breeding for exaggeration. It's obviously rewarded somehow for breeders to move in that direction.

Scootaloo that is exactly the sort of response that leaves Jo public to disregard registered breeders.

I'm not here with any particular agenda. I just want to promote deep and thoughtful discussion of pros and cons. I'm not going to dismiss what other people are saying. I may even learn things.

If pedigree breeders know the problems they need to be seen to be working towards rectifying them. Not bitching backstabbing and poking fun at people with other ideas

Have you been to many dog shows? Do you exhibit?

Do you understand a standard and how it relates to the dogs in question?

What makes you believe that pedigree breeders do not know the problems? What makes you think they are not working towards eradicating them?

Eradicating problems is not simply a matter of waving your wand about and crying "expelliamus". It is about identifying the problem, identifying the means of fixing it and implementing that. In the first cross, you may have no success. So - back to the drawing board - it may take 4 tries and 4 different dogs to get any success at all. And while people not involved think nothing is being done quite a lot is being done, but because of the nature of the beast it isn't instaneous.

If breeders breed to the standard, things cannot go very wrong - alas, breeding what you want, and have it actually happen in the whelping box are not quite the same.

I would not be at all interested in breeding dogs without some sort of standard as a blueprint - how easy it would be to go horribly wrong and cause all sorts of disasters - and not know for 10 years.

Bulldogs - in the 70s, they did not whelp normally. In the following decades, things were improved and now most do whelp normally. But non-bulldog breeders don't believe that.

Edited July 18, 2016 by Jed

[Salukifan]

I'm giving suggestions, because I want this to work.

I have no issues with rolling up my sleeves and actually doing work I have looked into helping running shows and what not, but to this day I haven't been able to actually find out how to.

But I do spend a good chunk of my time talking to people on facebook in the various groups I am in explaining how the ANKC works and how the papers are issued with pups.

As an aside to prove how well the promotion of purebreds is: I just went to the Dogs NSW site. There is no mention of the Dog lovers show on the Front page of the website you have to look under Canine activities in a drop down box under activities and events you would think that something as big as the dog lovers show would be on the front page to promote purebred dogs.

--Lhok

1. Join a breed club or a show club.

2. Attend a meeting

3. Await incoming

4. Train as a steward if you meet the criteria.

[Lhok]

I'm giving suggestions, because I want this to work.

I have no issues with rolling up my sleeves and actually doing work I have looked into helping running shows and what not, but to this day I haven't been able to actually find out how to.

But I do spend a good chunk of my time talking to people on facebook in the various groups I am in explaining how the ANKC works and how the papers are issued with pups.

As an aside to prove how well the promotion of purebreds is: I just went to the Dogs NSW site. There is no mention of the Dog lovers show on the Front page of the website you have to look under Canine activities in a drop down box under activities and events you would think that something as big as the dog lovers show would be on the front page to promote purebred dogs.

--Lhok

1. Join a breed club or a show club.

2. Attend a meeting

3. Await incoming

4. Train as a steward if you meet the criteria.

1. How does one find a show club? There is only one breed club for my breed of interest and that is in Victoria. The other breed isn't in the country and not registered as an approved breed.

2. Will do so once I find where my local show club is, I hope the barrier of where I live doesn't prevent me from doing so as well.

3. What does that mean?

4. I certainly will try.

--Lhok

[Salukifan]

I'm giving suggestions, because I want this to work.

I have no issues with rolling up my sleeves and actually doing work I have looked into helping running shows and what not, but to this day I haven't been able to actually find out how to.

But I do spend a good chunk of my time talking to people on facebook in the various groups I am in explaining how the ANKC works and how the papers are issued with pups.

As an aside to prove how well the promotion of purebreds is: I just went to the Dogs NSW site. There is no mention of the Dog lovers show on the Front page of the website you have to look under Canine activities in a drop down box under activities and events you would think that something as big as the dog lovers show would be on the front page to promote purebred dogs.

--Lhok

1. Join a breed club or a show club.

2. Attend a meeting

3. Await incoming

4. Train as a steward if you meet the criteria.

1. How does one find a show club? There is only one breed club for my breed of interest and that is in Victoria. The other breed isn't in the country and not registered as an approved breed.

2. Will do so once I find where my local show club is, I hope the barrier of where I live doesn't prevent me from doing so as well.

3. What does that mean?

4. I certainly will try.

--Lhok

Every show has a club that runs it. Every agricultural show has its dog section.

Look at the schedule of the closest show to you. It will say who's running it.

Then contact the club and offer your help.