Rescued Dogs Caged For Years

[Maddy]

*dons flame suit*

Keeping dogs in kennels is not necessarily inhumane or completely detrimental to their health or wellbeing. If they are taken out regularly, socialised, and are supplied with sufficient bedding for the weather conditions... many dogs actually do just fine. I'd rather see a dog kenneled where it gets those basic needs met by the staff (and/or volunteers), than in an overcrowded foster situation where a big heart doesn't necessarily equate to having any common sense... and yes, there are quite a few rescues whose foster carers fall under that category...

It's not as simple as saying kennels are "bad" and foster carers are "good"... it actually comes down to whether the individual animal needs are met sufficiently to deem it rehomable to the general public.

*removes flame suit*

All that said, kenneling any animal for literally years would probably raise some alarm bells for me as to the adoptability of the animal in question.

T.

To a certain extent, I'd agree with you. I rescued a dog that had been "rescued" by another group and placed with a foster carer who couldn't afford to properly feed the dogs she had and as a result, the poor dog was stick thin and in really poor condition.

On the other hand though, meeting all of the needs of kennelled dogs is difficult and if it's not done correctly, dogs can end up with issues that make them even harder to rehome. I can think of a few rescues that kennel and in all cases, they're barely meeting minimum welfare requirements. Physical welfare is pretty easy to manage- feed, clean, basic health- but keeping a dog in a cage means you have to work so much harder to maintain their mental health. Zoos and wildlife parks put a lot of thought into that management and even then, there can still be issues. A dog kept in a pen 24/7 (excluding short breaks for exercise and socialisation) is almost bound to suffer mentally.

My opinion is that whilst foster care in a home environment isn't always perfect, it's almost always going to be the better option.

[Kendra]

I guess there is nothing that can be done by the looks of it These dogs will continue be left to suffer.

I suppose one should then concentrate on those one can help and not torture themselves with those that have fallen through the cracks.

The threat of litigation is a tool to hold over heads of whis

tleblowers in all walks of life.

A very sad situation.

We need to advocate for the voiceless, even if it is seen as whistleblowing.

Edited June 30, 2016 by Kendra

[Tootsie Roll]

You would have to ask why is this situation happening,not just one dog but quite a few.

Obviously the rescue has been operating for many years but despite the length of experience they are choosing to disregard the emotional needs of some of the

dogs they rescue. I believe there is no behavioural training and nothing to stimulate the dogs.An occasional walk or cuddle from a volunteer is not enough.

[sas]

This is the same rescue that had a Dane x for many years and I offered to take it and board with our Behaviourist (Great Dane Rescue) for rehab and find a new home - I offered a number of times, they never responded.

[Tootsie Roll]

I hope this rescuer has a long hard look at herself and what she is doing to these and the other dogs in her care,and asks for help and then closes up and moves away from rescue. The dogs need to be rescued from her. I have now been told all facets of the operation are shambolic.

Maybe she has become overwhelmed.

Perhaps has too much pride to speak up to those who have been trying to help her.

I pray these dogs get released from this environment very soon and get to experience love and care.

[Loving my Oldies]

I’ve not been out to this facility for many years, but it has always been this way. :cry:

They also allowed other “rescuers” to kennel dogs and then the dogs are just left there with no attention from the original rescuer and little or no advertising for homes. I don’t know if this still happens.

[Tootsie Roll]

I have been told they were evicted from that place and these long term dogs are at another kennels. Seems nothing has improved over the

years

[sas]

As Rescuers, we need to stand together and be a voice for these dogs. Hoarding is not ok. Not being emotionally stable to do rescue and euthanise is not ok. These people hoard dogs who have killed other dogs and are unsuitable for society because they play the no-kill game - this isn't ok, these dogs end up imprisoned for years.

The rescues need to stop getting their hands on pound dogs, how can we stop this, is there a way?

[juice]

block the clause 16?

[Loving my Oldies]

As Rescuers, we need to stand together and be a voice for these dogs. Hoarding is not ok. Not being emotionally stable to do rescue and euthanise is not ok. These people hoard dogs who have killed other dogs and are unsuitable for society because they play the no-kill game - this isn't ok, these dogs end up imprisoned for years.

The rescues need to stop getting their hands on pound dogs, how can we stop this, is there a way?

But pounds are where 99% of the dogs come from ?? However, I do agree 100% with your first para.

So I guess the answer is that pound staff have to be more discerning.

I was told once by a poster in this thread that a now deceased and highly regarded rescuer who would let anyone and everyone use her Clause 16D, said that she would let Jack the Ripper have a dog so long as it got the dog out of the pound.

This conversation has been going on for years and probably will continue to do so while people who want to save the lives of dogs in pounds have no idea and don’t really care what they are going to do after the dog is out of the pound.

[~Anne~]

If you can show evidence that they have breached the Companion Animal legislation you can seek to have the 16d exemption revoked.

In having sad that, it may not stop them from rescuing. You don't need a 16d exemption to rescue.

The kennelled dogs should be registered to them by now. There is a time limit of how long you can keep a dog unregistered, even if you have a 16d.

Edited June 30, 2016 by ~Anne~

[tdierikx]

The 16D clause only means that you don't have to pay the registration fee to get the animal out of the pound... and as stated in other posts here, you need to have the animal registered properly by the time 12 months is up... preferrably rehomed and registered to new owners.

Many pounds expand upon this exemption by only charging clause holding rescues the microchip fee to release the animal... technically, they could still charge an adoption fee on top of that...

Individual pounds also have the right to refuse to deal with a particular rescue regardless of their 16D exemption status.

There is nothing stopping any rescue adopting any animal from any pound - 16D or not... as long as they front up the fee, the animal is theirs...

T.

[Loving my Oldies]

In having sad that, it may not stop them from rescuing. You don't need a 16d exemption to rescue.

There is nothing stopping any rescue adopting any animal from any pound - 16D or not... as long as they front up the fee, the animal is theirs...

I am aware of this. There was a time that having a Clause 16D was the be all and end all. It was simply a money saver and some rescue orgs thought nothing of allowing others to use theirs.

I just recounted this story to show the attitudes that proliferate in rescue, to the detriment of the animals, even in those groups highly regarded :shrug:

[Tootsie Roll]

The trouble is if people dont come on here or go on facebook then they go on their merry way thinking this rescue is doing a great job,giving their time and money to the rescue to enable them to continue,little realising what is really going on.

This rescue is reportedly very slack in its operation in general,and well meaning people have in the past propped it up ,but left in disgust,with new ones coming on board to enable them to continue in rescue,and stayed,despite misgivings and anger.

Most likely publicity of this deplorable state of affairs will bring in donations from well meaning people believing that will help these dogs but if it did then why didnt moneys from all those past fundraisers,the show etc go to help them. They are in the too hard basket obviously,as no caring person would allow these dogs to have lived and suffered in this way for such a long long time.

I would like to think the rescuer will hang her head in shame,but I doubt she will.

My heart bleeds for these dogs.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Tootsie Roll

[~Anne~]

Tootsie, while I understand the need to write about it on public forums, the only way you can change anything is to take appropriate action. If there is evidence that they are breaking the law (as has been stated in this thread, there are a number of Acts and regulations that the rescue is bound by) then report it.

From experience, threads like this and narky social media campaigns don't do much to help the dogs unless it is combined with taking action along appropriate channels.

[Tootsie Roll]

I am in no way associated with this rescue nor have I ever been. I have been alerted to this awful situation thanks to facebook alerting me to the plight of the dogs and then people messaging me because I posted comments.

I have no inside knowledge to provide to the authorities,who probably wouldt care anyway,especially that dogs have been caged for 7 and 8 years.

Sorry you see commenting on that fact as narky.

My purpose for starting a thread was to seek information,alert people about the poor rescue practices,the sorry situation regarding these poor dogs and publicise their desperate need to be rehomed.

The only way to bring this to the attention of the community is by social media.

[Loving my Oldies]

And good for you, Tootsie Roll :thumbsup:. The “rescue business” as with any business needs new faces and new blood to keep on trying to advance the causes of dogs (and other animals) who are treated so badly. As I said before, there are always those inside and outside of rescue who think they know it all. Keep trying to help Jules and others in the same position.

[Tootsie Roll]

Thankyou Dannys Darling. I obviously lack the expertise and knowledge of some on DOL, but not the enthusiasm for rescue,which I wholeheartedly support.

Even to the novice or untrained eye,or just a lover of dogs, the fact that someone can cage dogs for 9 or 8 years etc,screams cruel.

I understand not every dog can be saved or rehomed,as some have issues and have specific needs,and those sorts of hones are harder to come by.

But you just dont shove them in a cage and forget about them,by not actively seeking alterative care or making the mature and sensible decision to put them to sleep,if all else fails.

I can hear the screams now from some who believe sincerely there is a home for every dog despite the issues,etc etc. If that is the case where are those people to help these dogs?? They have been waiting all these years. Heaven knows what this imprisonment and lack of stimulation and love has done to their mind and how they will adjust to the outside world.

By starting this thread I felt I had to put the spotlight on their plight and shine the light on the practices of the rescue responsible.

[sas]

Tootsie, while I understand the need to write about it on public forums, the only way you can change anything is to take appropriate action. If there is evidence that they are breaking the law (as has been stated in this thread, there are a number of Acts and regulations that the rescue is bound by) then report it.

From experience, threads like this and narky social media campaigns don't do much to help the dogs unless it is combined with taking action along appropriate channels.

These conversations help us talk and brainstorm how we as a community can stop these dogs being hoarded. I'm prepared to take action but I need to know what that action needs to be.

Edited July 3, 2016 by sas

[Tootsie Roll]

There are those disilluioned people from the rescue that know where "the bodies are buried",they have the details of the mismanagement of the rescue in general. I dont have that proof and only know about it from messages sent to me.That is about the rescues operation. There are allegations of breaches of all the rules and regulations.

These poor dogs caged for so long comes down to the mindset of the rescuer herself. The decisions she alone makes to the long term care of dogs that may be more difficult to rehome or have certain requirements or needs.As has been pointed out,she owns these dogs,and so needs to be convinced to change her atitude to long term care. I suppose we are hoping she may be shamed into lifting her game and resolve these dogs futures and,its a long shot,but get out of rescue completely.Reportedly there have been ootions for these dogs over the years which have been ignored or refused.Slack handling of enquiries or ignoring them,means people go elsewhere.

No doubt when these concerns raised are finally addressed in the social media there will be a fairy story written,some will believe it,critics will go away,and meantime the fate of these dogs will still be in the hands of the one person who was responsible for their situation.

Sadly ego gets in the way quite often and the losers will be these dogs.

Edited July 4, 2016 by Tootsie Roll