mumtoshelley Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 You really never listen to advice that you get here and then come back down the track complaining about your overweight dogs. 80gm is still too much. You have an experienced raw feeder in this thread saying their 15kg dog gets 80gm. If your dog is eating poo then simply clean your yard!! If you have poo eaters then onus is on you to ensure they are not getting access to it. I feel for your Chi - sounds significantly overweight and has bad arthritis. You as an owner are making that issue worse and causing your dog pain by not managing your dog's weight and getting it lean. That's not very nice I am doing what I can, I clean my dogs yard everyday most of the time twice a day. Rascal has a bad habit of doing his poo then turn around and eat it I can't exactly follow him around the yard 24/7. My vet said eating his poo is a very bad habit to get them to break,specially if they eat it straight after they have done it. They also said eating poo wouldn't cause his weight gain. Vet also said if its diabetes there not much that can be done for his weight. His eating dirt etc now cause his hungry I would hate too see what he would eat next if I cut him back anymore. for the last 4 days his been on 40 minute walks. When he was young he was getting feed the same amount but going on 1-2 hour walks a day and still wouldn't lose weight. The vets I have seen all believe he has diabetes and probably won't lose weight. Same goes with my female golden vet believes she has either thyroid problems or diabetes which is why she won't lose weight, Vet said to bring her back when she is going to toilet better and test for thyroid. So vets believe 2 of my dogs have medical problems which is why there not losing weight. My male golden and my whippet are in prefect health weightwise everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest crazydoglady99 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Is there anyway he could have part of his meal in a kong or similar? To help stretch the 'eating' time out? Even cut in tiny chunks a divided in a mini muffin tin to slow the eating time? Sounds weird - but if I drink a protein shake rather than eat breakfast- I end up consuming double the amount of food I would usually eat because by drinking the shake rather than eating I feel like I am 'missing' something (and so i compensate by eating more!). Just wondering if maybe Rascal feels the same? Edit to fix my typos.. damn ocd! Edited May 30, 2016 by crazydoglady99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 If your digs have diabetes then they need to be treated. Agree with Dan. You are being harmful to your dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Surely diabetes and thyroid are determined by blood tests - not sure why a) toileting better is relevant or b) why they have not been done. If vets *think* something is wrong which is impacting on your dog's health then they test for it unless the owner declines. Treat dogs with the right medication for their condition and they will respond accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsmum Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 That's not very nice I am doing what I can, I clean my dogs yard everyday most of the time twice a day. Rascal has a bad habit of doing his poo then turn around and eat it I can't exactly follow him around the yard 24/7. My vet said eating his poo is a very bad habit to get them to break,specially if they eat it straight after they have done it. They also said eating poo wouldn't cause his weight gain. Vet also said if its diabetes there not much that can be done for his weight. His eating dirt etc now cause his hungry I would hate too see what he would eat next if I cut him back anymore. for the last 4 days his been on 40 minute walks. When he was young he was getting feed the same amount but going on 1-2 hour walks a day and still wouldn't lose weight. The vets I have seen all believe he has diabetes and probably won't lose weight. Same goes with my female golden vet believes she has either thyroid problems or diabetes which is why she won't lose weight, Vet said to bring her back when she is going to toilet better and test for thyroid. So vets believe 2 of my dogs have medical problems which is why there not losing weight. My male golden and my whippet are in prefect health weightwise everything. So...I know all dogs have different toileting habits but maybe you could try getting him (or all of them) to poo on walks so that you can scoop it immediately. Chances are he'll be empty then and not have as much opportunity to eat it. There are a few tricks you can try for poo eating (or Coprophagia if you want to use the correct term) my family vet recommended adding pineapple to the poo - I've long wondered if that was true or more of an old wives (old vets) tale? I have also read you can add probiotics to all your dogs feeds. I would caution with both - and say speak to the vet before adding anything to a feed as you have IBD to deal with too. And I would not be adding pineapple to an overweight dogs diet (probably any dogs diet to be honest) - just using it as one example of something to try - google returns 1000's of results. Why not have him tested for diabetes? It would make managing him a lot easier if you know what you're dealing with? Do you need to find a new vet? Do you need a referral to a specialist? I'd be having a full blood panel done as a minimum - my old dog lost a lot of weight when she was diagnosed with liver disease and treated accordingly. Got lots of spark and energy back too - we'd assumed her slowing down was age but she just felt off. As for his meals - I would be doing one of two things - or both. Add some vegies to his meal as bulk- if he can have them or possibly brown rice. Check out what extras (if any) he can tolerate with IBD and give him a few serves of that a day to help make him feel full. Just don't over compensate. I would also be splitting his meals up into 3 or 4. That's four 20 gram serves of kibble a day + possibly some bland low fat filler and a probiotic like greek yoghurt. It's easy enough to do too -2 small breakfasts are easy enough to get in before work even if you need to get up an hour early to feed him, lock him away somewhere to eat and go back to bed. Then a feed as soon as someone is home from school or work and another one later in the evening. Weigh it out - put his daily allowance in snaplock bags or containers. Make it known that is all he is to eat in a single day. It's not easy having an obese dog. I had an overweight dog in the past too. For a long time I had my head in the sand over it, I didn't investigate better nutrition options for her and she lived out her last few months on Hills ID - which she hated. More - hubby never got on board with it - he was always sneaking her contraband. It's hard to say it but her obesity caused pretty much all of her senior health problems - she was PTS at 15 after she went blind and deaf but her last few years were expensive and not fun (meds twice a day and ID only- yuck) and I often think a lot of it would have been avoided if we'd been more proactive when she was younger. Responsibility for that is entirely on me as her primary caregiver. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Surely diabetes and thyroid are determined by blood tests - not sure why a) toileting better is relevant or b) why they have not been done. If vets *think* something is wrong which is impacting on your dog's health then they test for it unless the owner declines. Treat dogs with the right medication for their condition and they will respond accordingly. ...may God or another authority give me one AU$ for each case that proves the opposite... @mumtoshelly: ...the best and also cheapest way to keep a dog healthy is IMO indeed to keep the dog lean; as indicated, too much weight could really cause all the symptoms (arthritis, diabetes) you see with your dog, so if you love your dog - and food is not love! - feeding less not only saves money, but also boosts the health of your dog. A healthy adult dog won't have any problems to go a day without food (just ensure access to water) and fasting a dog for 1 day a week could also add to weight loss - as your dog has some medical conditions it is recommended to discuss it with the vet. wrt pooh eating: can be addressed by positive reinforcement training, but I understand it will be very hard - and it will require persistence and discipline - to train a 10 year old dog that is used eating pooh all the time - and, yes, any calorie will add to his weight!...and there are associated health risks with pooh eating. Therefore the aversive approach putting something into the pooh that ruins it for your dog could be more suitable for you. You have to pick something that won't have any dramatic health affects for you dog, so I would discuss it with your vet. Edited May 31, 2016 by Willem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Why hasn't your vet actually tested for diabetes, thyroid problems etc? If your dogs do have these issues they need to be treated, and by doing so hopefully it will help with their weight also. Edited May 31, 2016 by Dame Aussie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumtoshelley Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 We need new vets in my area. I have been demanding the vets to do the tests but they won't. Shelley my golden went to the vet yesterday as she had eaten the outside of a baseball,vet didn't want to test for thyroid till she has [assed all of the baseball she had eaten. He said that the tests could come back wrong due to the baseball been eaten. As for Rascal they said even with medication for diabetes he might not lose weight. Said its like humans when on insulin some lose it some stay the same and some gain it, They also said why bother as his a 10 year old dog. Everytime I ask them to do the blood tests they refuse to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Untreated diabetes will kill your dog sooner rather then later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Kisses Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Where abouts in VIC are you? Someone here may be able to suggest another vet not too far away who you could see for a second opinion. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumtoshelley Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 Is there anyway he could have part of his meal in a kong or similar? To help stretch the 'eating' time out? Even cut in tiny chunks a divided in a mini muffin tin to slow the eating time? Sounds weird - but if I drink a protein shake rather than eat breakfast- I end up consuming double the amount of food I would usually eat because by drinking the shake rather than eating I feel like I am 'missing' something (and so i compensate by eating more!). Just wondering if maybe Rascal feels the same? Edit to fix my typos.. damn ocd! Yes only has started since feeding the prime 100 crocodile he was fine when feed the big dog barf patties he never act like he was starving with the patties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumtoshelley Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 Where abouts in VIC are you? Someone here may be able to suggest another vet not too far away who you could see for a second opinion. :) I'm in Mildura Victoria and go to benetook vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsmum Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Personally - if there isn't another / better vet option - I'd demand bloods. Edit: I just googled - there are at least 2 other vets in town. http://www.milduravet.com.au/contact-us/ Seriously - go get a new vet if they're not even going to investigate. You can't leave your pet feeling shitty when it's something so easy to manage. He may or may not lose weight but he'll feel better if you're managing the diabetes and there might be other underlying issues too Edited May 31, 2016 by Scottsmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Gee that's a good excuse - a vet refusing to test even when asked by the owner. No skin off their nose to take a sample and send it off, given you're paying. Otherwise the only other reason would be because the dog is not actually presenting with symptoms consistent with those diseases/ illnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest crazydoglady99 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Mildura I believe:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stellnme Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Very worried about an overweight Chihuahua with possible diabetes doing a daily 40 minute walk. Even more worried that you were walking him 1-2 hours a day. Why is he on steroids when no testing has been done? Also, does he have a current ear infection - if so, I hope the vet is treating that. I remember you changed diets frequently with your dogs and you were advised to find one that they were doing well on and keep to it. I have a dog with pancreatitis issues who has been stable for some years with the correct diet and strict adherence to it - I wouldn't change her diet for the world. Maybe have a big talk to your vet about fine tuning your dogs diets to make sure they are on the correct ones for their medical conditions (once diagnosed) and that give them all the essential nutrients that your different breeds need - then keep them on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Lol I was not touching the 40 mins exercise for a badly arthritic obese chi line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest crazydoglady99 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) I was thinking about the dirt eating.. you know how sometimes pregnant women eat weird stuff because their body is craving xyz vitamin or mineral? Maybe the change in diet to 100% prime is causing him some strange cravings? Personally, I don't think I'd try feeding anything in addition to the prime - for the moment. Because you need to exclusively feed to see if it settles his tummy. Maybe a new vet is in order? I don't know - it's easy to make assumptions on the internet. What's to say you change vet, spend a few hundred $$ on tests etc and it shows nothing? Puts you in the exact same situation. When my 14yr old maltese was having tummy/jelly bloody poo issues, refusing to eat etc - my vet of 9 years just shrugged and said 'old age'. I tried every remedy/diet etc I could possibly think of- in the end, I had a long wait to get into a holistic vet - and it was too late for her. Just do your best. I think that's the most important thing. If something doesn't seem right - seek further advice. I have never seen or met your dog (s) - so my suggestions are not necessarily better than your vets'. Good luck. Try not to take the comments too personally. I know it's hard. Edited May 31, 2016 by crazydoglady99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumtoshelley Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 I'm not forcing him to exercise he goes at his pace and it is all off lead. His on steroids as he is scooting his bottom on the floor all the time, vets gave us cream to put on his bum didn't work, his wormed regularly, he was wormed just 3 weeks ago. He scoots till his bum is bleeding. Vet wanted to try steroids and a 1 protein diet before jumping in to see if its cancer or something in the bowel. Rascal has had a lot gone wrong he has had his anal glands removed cause they ruptured and couldn't be fixed so they had to be removed. Before you say its diet that caused his anal glands to rupture it wasn't he was feed big dog barf patties and got chicken necks 2-3 times a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Untreated diabetes will kill your dog sooner rather then later. Exactly ,it just doesn't add up a vet says diabetes but supposedly won't test . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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