Breeder Refusing Refund For Pure Bred Puppy

[Pjrt]

From what i read in the OP the dogs bottom jaw is much shorter than its upper jaw.

As for if the bite will align correctly as the dog matures is anyones guess. Depending on the breed and severity as to the chances.

If the dog has a true 'parrot mouth' not just a slightly off bite, then little chance of improvement and definitely not an animal to be bred from.

I handle 3 dogs with 'parrot mouth' and its no fun for anyone. (all the same breed, hmm)

It seems the OP is trying to be responsible by recognising the dog may not be fit for breeding. Good on them. When it comes to choosing breeding animals it should always be head before heart.

I hope you can sort it all out.

Edited May 25, 2016 by blinkblink

[Sheridan]

Maybe ring up Dogs QLD (or whichever applies in the state where the dog is from) and discuss with them.

Also talk to consumer affairs in your state or the state where the dog is from because you did not get what you paid for.

There's always a risk buying a dog without going out there to see it and the parent dogs.

Sorry disagree you with you.

Do not tar us all with the one brush. The majority of us are ethical registered breeders and would not do a thing like this. But as to purchasing sight unseen, so many of us do send quality pups to purchasers without the slightest hitch. As to seeing both parents sometimes that is an impossibility when we use interstate sires or frozen semen from overseas. :)

Of the last five dogs I've got, three were sight unseen from interstate. All five quality dogs from fine and ethical breeders.

[Redsonic]

If he's overshot the jaw may correct itself as the bottom jaw is the last to develop.

If he's undershot ( the bottom jaw is longer than the top ) then there is no chance it will correct.

Is he under of over ?

Not if the jaw is severely overshot as the OP has described. The teeth are digging holes in the roof of his mouth. My puppy had this and had to have his puppy canines removed. The top jaw then continued to grow and the bottom jaw got worse.

Once the lower canines have dug into the palate, not only is the dog in pain, but the lower jaw is never going to catch up in growth as it is anchored in place (relative to the top jaw). The first step is to remove the puppy canines to stop this happening.

[myValkyrie]

How old is the puppy? I'd be hesitant to write off a BT pup's mouth as a baby....as a bull breed with a unique head shape, their mouths can do some pretty funky stuff as they grow, change teeth & that head starts to 'crank over'.

I'd definitely agree if the bite is undershot now, it's gone......they rarely improve. Personally, I prefer to see a BT baby a little over rather than a scissor bite.....far more chance of finishing at maturity with a sound mouth.

It may mean he is unsuitable for breeding - depends why his mouth is faulty & how bad it is. Were you planning on showing him too? A mouth fault will really hinder your success in the all breeds ring.

[Steve]

There is no get out of jail free card - if you know there is an issue with a puppy you say so BEFORE THE PUP GOES HOME. If you don't you break the law and its also a pretty shabby way to treat a puppy buyer.

[megan_]

There is no get out of jail free card - if you know there is an issue with a puppy you say so BEFORE THE PUP GOES HOME. If you don't you break the law and its also a pretty shabby way to treat a puppy buyer.

yip. Whether or not the pup was sold for breeding is also beside the point. If the bite is so bad that the teeth piece the roof of the mouth then then the pup was not fit for sale.

[Salukifan]

There is no get out of jail free card - if you know there is an issue with a puppy you say so BEFORE THE PUP GOES HOME. If you don't you break the law and its also a pretty shabby way to treat a puppy buyer.

yip. Whether or not the pup was sold for breeding is also beside the point. If the bite is so bad that the teeth piece the roof of the mouth then then the pup was not fit for sale.

Of course it was fit for sale. Would you knock it on the head?

What should have happened is that the issue with the mouth should have been advised.

[Salukifan]

Apologies for the silly question.

Breeders; if a dog is sold for breeding like this one is, it's on the mains register yes?

So is it regarded as worse (or grounds for a warning from their registering body) for a wonky faulty dog to be on a main register or is it just left to the breeder's discretion and that's all?

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ANKC Main Register as a show/breeding prospect. Unless you have a crystal ball you can't say for certain that a pup will be good enough to breed from as an adult.

Limit register prevents a dog from being shown, bred from (for ANKC registered pups) or exported. Plenty of pet quality dogs are Main Registered precisely because of that lack of a crystal ball. It's the breeder's choice as to which Register the pups go on.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Haredown Whippets

[*kirty*]

There is no get out of jail free card - if you know there is an issue with a puppy you say so BEFORE THE PUP GOES HOME. If you don't you break the law and its also a pretty shabby way to treat a puppy buyer.

yip. Whether or not the pup was sold for breeding is also beside the point. If the bite is so bad that the teeth piece the roof of the mouth then then the pup was not fit for sale.

Of course it was fit for sale. Would you knock it on the head?

What should have happened is that the issue with the mouth should have been advised.

No it wasn't. If the puppy needs surgery to be comfortable as is the case here, it should not have been sold. It should have been either kept by the breeder to see if it improves, had surgery to remove the canines and sold with full disclosure, or discounted and sold with full disclosure.

[raineth]

There is no get out of jail free card - if you know there is an issue with a puppy you say so BEFORE THE PUP GOES HOME. If you don't you break the law and its also a pretty shabby way to treat a puppy buyer.

yip. Whether or not the pup was sold for breeding is also beside the point. If the bite is so bad that the teeth piece the roof of the mouth then then the pup was not fit for sale.

Of course it was fit for sale. Would you knock it on the head?

What should have happened is that the issue with the mouth should have been advised.

No it wasn't. If the puppy needs surgery to be comfortable as is the case here, it should not have been sold. It should have been either kept by the breeder to see if it improves, had surgery to remove the canines and sold with full disclosure, or discounted and sold with full disclosure.

I agree.

[Salukifan]

Edited.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Haredown Whippets

[asal]

There is no get out of jail free card - if you know there is an issue with a puppy you say so BEFORE THE PUP GOES HOME. If you don't you break the law and its also a pretty shabby way to treat a puppy buyer.

yip. Whether or not the pup was sold for breeding is also beside the point. If the bite is so bad that the teeth piece the roof of the mouth then then the pup was not fit for sale.

Of course it was fit for sale. Would you knock it on the head?

What should have happened is that the issue with the mouth should have been advised.

No it wasn't. If the puppy needs surgery to be comfortable as is the case here, it should not have been sold. It should have been either kept by the breeder to see if it improves, had surgery to remove the canines and sold with full disclosure, or discounted and sold with full disclosure.

exactly, full disclosure, the buyer decides if they want it or not