For All The Unethical (But Responsible) Dog Owners ...

[Dogdragon]

Too bad some of the posts in this thread are inflammatory and confrontational toward the OP and seem to be designed to punish the OP in some way for wanting to discuss something he sees as worthy of a chat. It also prevents other from saying what they truly think in fear of being belted.

For me personally Ive never given much thought to the whole increased fees for entire animals ,never really thought about whether they are punishments or incentives and several other things which have sparked my thought processes because of this thread.

I think its a worthy conversation and I would like to see people being able to say what they think so we can challenge our own views and take a look at others.

So far its led me to thinking differently about possible solutions for the numbers being dumped which Ive not considered before and Im enjoying it because I think challenging the same old same old so we don't get the same old same old results is healthy and what is best for the dogs

Im more than happy to be proven wrong if it means less dogs suffer and change my view and put in place programs which may help so if you dont want to contribute and debate what you feel is one thing or another why muck it up for everyone else?

Crap. You want inflammatory take a look at post 1. If you're worried about people being put off by the other dolers, you're looking at the wrong end of the dog.

lol, love the passion in this thread :laugh:

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Too bad some of the posts in this thread are inflammatory and confrontational toward the OP and seem to be designed to punish the OP in some way for wanting to discuss something he sees as worthy of a chat. It also prevents other from saying what they truly think in fear of being belted.

For me personally Ive never given much thought to the whole increased fees for entire animals ,never really thought about whether they are punishments or incentives and several other things which have sparked my thought processes because of this thread.

I think its a worthy conversation and I would like to see people being able to say what they think so we can challenge our own views and take a look at others.

So far its led me to thinking differently about possible solutions for the numbers being dumped which Ive not considered before and Im enjoying it because I think challenging the same old same old so we don't get the same old same old results is healthy and what is best for the dogs

Im more than happy to be proven wrong if it means less dogs suffer and change my view and put in place programs which may help so if you dont want to contribute and debate what you feel is one thing or another why muck it up for everyone else?

Crap. You want inflammatory take a look at post 1. If you're worried about people being put off by the other dolers, you're looking at the wrong end of the dog.

well, looking at something from a different angle is all part of a holistic in nature approach, isn't it :) ?

We've been through that. Grow up, go back to class. Learn how to read and learn how to express yourself without trolling.

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lol, love the passion in this thread :laugh:

Slow day at the office.

[BlaznHotAussies]

I am not entirely against a dog license being required. But I do have issues with there being too many requirements to have a dog. From the perspective of someone in my situation, we live 4 hours from our nearest capital which is about the closest place that obedience training is offered. Not really keen on 800km round trip weekly with my dog to teach it things I can teach it myself in the comfort of my own home just because there are dipshits who don't bother to train their dog. Theoretical test? Who's funding that? Are we allowed to say we feed raw or will the correct answer be "feed a nutritious kibble & treats occasionally", are we allowed to decide on our own vaccination & worming schedule taking into account management & environmental factors? Also the 8 hours of voluntary work in a pound, that's not a bad idea, but I'm pretty sure the nearest pound to me is at least 250km away. P-Plates & Full licensing is just another frustration to me.

I dunno, reeks of nanny state to me.

I reckon give unscrupulous BYB some more heat & educate puppy buyers not to fall for the cute puppies and actually ask questions of BYBs. If people would actually look at where they are sourcing their dogs & care about things such as health testing of breeding animals, early upbringing/socialisation/toilet training, nutrition, letting puppies go before 8 weeks of age, etc. there would be less unhappy dogs & owners in the world!! I'm not even talking about registered vs BYB - they want to make mutts they can go for their life, but there needs to be more people giving a crap about who is producing their pet. I don't even know if this makes sense but an example from a couple of days ago - a lone German Shepherd puppy, BYB, no mention of health testing (we all know that GSDs are at risk of hip displaysia and other issues - it's not my breed so I'm not sure of the others off the top of my head - and registered breeders do all they can to work on this), it's 7 weeks old, the last pup left (all others have gone to new homes) & the "breeder" wants it gone within the next 3 weeks "Ready to go now" as she is expecting a baby and doesn't want the puppy around. Yet there were no other people that seemed concerned about this. IMO that would be a good start - teach puppy buyers/future homes what to look for & not to just fall for cute pictures.

JMO. Yesterday had me in a terrible mood from seeing the sheer number of willy nilly bred puppies on pets for sale pages some unreg breeders do the right thing, but there are many more who don't.

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Too bad some of the posts in this thread are inflammatory and confrontational toward the OP and seem to be designed to punish the OP in some way for wanting to discuss something he sees as worthy of a chat. It also prevents other from saying what they truly think in fear of being belted.

I'd like to point out that I did in fact post in the spirit of forum discussion. What got me into trouble is laughing at Maddy's post and since then I've been belted. Even my rescue has been dragged in. You know me better than to think I won't respond to that kind of shit.

[BlaznHotAussies]

Too bad some of the posts in this thread are inflammatory and confrontational toward the OP and seem to be designed to punish the OP in some way for wanting to discuss something he sees as worthy of a chat. It also prevents other from saying what they truly think in fear of being belted.

I'd like to point out that I did in fact post in the spirit of forum discussion. What got me into trouble is laughing at Maddy's post and since then I've been belted. Even my rescue has been dragged in. You know me better than to think I won't respond to that kind of shit.

I thought that was in very poor taste too. very uncalled for.

When someone is 'losing' an argument they usually stoop to insults.

[Willem]

http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/fact-sheets/pets/pet-road-tests/dog-dumpage/#.VzUcsI9OJhF

I provided this link before, but I just noticed something interesting: have a look at 'The 10 breeds most dumped due to aggression are' figures: if you would let people with less background knowledge guess the first ranks, it is likely that they would mention pit bull breeds first...but the stats show it is just not true!

Eta: also interesting: Maremmas don't bark, are not aggressive, but are on rank 4 of the most dumped dogs!

Edited May 13, 2016 by Willem

[BarbedWire]

Willem are you an incognito politician? You sound to me like what I would imagine Mathias Cormann to sound like if he had a dog. :)

[Maddy]

Too bad some of the posts in this thread are inflammatory and confrontational toward the OP and seem to be designed to punish the OP in some way for wanting to discuss something he sees as worthy of a chat. It also prevents other from saying what they truly think in fear of being belted.

For me personally Ive never given much thought to the whole increased fees for entire animals ,never really thought about whether they are punishments or incentives and several other things which have sparked my thought processes because of this thread.

I think its a worthy conversation and I would like to see people being able to say what they think so we can challenge our own views and take a look at others.

So far its led me to thinking differently about possible solutions for the numbers being dumped which Ive not considered before and Im enjoying it because I think challenging the same old same old so we don't get the same old same old results is healthy and what is best for the dogs

Im more than happy to be proven wrong if it means less dogs suffer and change my view and put in place programs which may help so if you dont want to contribute and debate what you feel is one thing or another why muck it up for everyone else?

If the OP wanted a serious discussion about the pros/cons of desexing, he could've started one? No one held a gun to his head and forced him to accuse rescue as being a contributor to the problem, no one forced him to discount the risks involved in keeping entire animals or to attribute those risks to entirely unrelated issues. If he didn't want a circus, he probably should've left his monkeys at home.

There have been numerous sensible, interesting discussions about the issue in the past, no one is punishing the OP for the topic, but for the offensive and questionable content of the first post.

[Willem]

...so if we know that some breeds get more dumped than others, how about this:

if you want to become a dog owner, you have to apply for registration of the wanted breed upfront. If the breed is one that gets more dumped than others the council will provide a free consultation to inform the owner of the risks - the owner may or may not change his/her mind, but at least can make an informed decision.

would this be practicable?... how long does the waiting period has to be?

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I thought that was in very poor taste too. very uncalled for.

When someone is 'losing' an argument they usually stoop to insults.

Thank you Scootaloo. :)

I don't want to post anonymously so all my info is here and Willem, using the safety of a private forum profile is the first person ever, to drag my team and site content in for a kicking.

edit; Maddy

Edited May 13, 2016 by Powerlegs

[The Spotted Devil]

...so if we know that some breeds get more dumped than others, how about this:

if you want to become a dog owner, you have to apply for registration of the wanted breed upfront. If the breed is one that gets more dumped than others the council will provide a free consultation to inform the owner of the risks - the owner may or may not change his/her mind, but at least can make an informed decision.

would this be practicable?... how long does the waiting period has to be?

This is problematic.

Breeds? We can't even identify "pitbulls" - breed is a guess unless you have a pedigreed, DNA tested animal e.g I can prove who my pups' parents are who in turn are pedigreed animals.

Some breeds get dumped more than others? Like some breeds bite more? You guessed it, there's nothing wrong with the breed itself, they are just more popular. I know. I've seen the data.

Councils DO NOT want to spend money on dogs and cats. They just don't.

Edited May 13, 2016 by The Spotted Devil

[The Spotted Devil]

I thought that was in very poor taste too. very uncalled for.

When someone is 'losing' an argument they usually stoop to insults.

Thank you Scootaloo. :)

I don't want to post anonymously so all my info is here and Willem, using the safety of a private forum profile is the first person ever, to drag my team and site content in for a kicking.

edit; Maddy

Wow. Just went back and read that exchange. Agree with Scootaloo.

[Willem]

...so if we know that some breeds get more dumped than others, how about this:

if you want to become a dog owner, you have to apply for registration of the wanted breed upfront. If the breed is one that gets more dumped than others the council will provide a free consultation to inform the owner of the risks - the owner may or may not change his/her mind, but at least can make an informed decision.

would this be practicable?... how long does the waiting period has to be?

This is problematic.

Breeds? We can't even identify "pitbulls" - breed is a guess unless you have a pedigreed, DNA tested animal e.g I can prove who my pups' parents are who in turn are pedigreed animals.

Some breeds get dumped more than others? Like some breeds bite more? You guessed it, there's nothing wrong with the breed itself, they are just more popular. I know. I've seen the data.

Councils DO NOT want to spend money on dogs and cats. They just don't.

you missed the context: ...this list I refer too are the dogs / breeds that are dumped more than other breeds - obviously causing the pounds more headaches than other breeds. If we know this, why not trying to address this? ....if we know that Maltese get dumped more often and we can detect dog owners interested in a Maltese upfront: that's the best timing for consultancy so the owner might rethink his/her choice.

[Kavik]

...so if we know that some breeds get more dumped than others, how about this:

if you want to become a dog owner, you have to apply for registration of the wanted breed upfront. If the breed is one that gets more dumped than others the council will provide a free consultation to inform the owner of the risks - the owner may or may not change his/her mind, but at least can make an informed decision.

would this be practicable?... how long does the waiting period has to be?

This is problematic.

Breeds? We can't even identify "pitbulls" - breed is a guess unless you have a pedigreed, DNA tested animal e.g I can prove who my pups' parents are who in turn are pedigreed animals.

Some breeds get dumped more than others? Like some breeds bite more? You guessed it, there's nothing wrong with the breed itself, they are just more popular. I know. I've seen the data.

Councils DO NOT want to spend money on dogs and cats. They just don't.

you missed the context: ...this list I refer too are the dogs / breeds that are dumped more than other breeds - obviously causing the pounds more headaches than other breeds. If we know this, why not trying to address this? ....if we know that Maltese get dumped more often and we can detect dog owners interested in a Maltese upfront: that's the best timing for consultancy so the owner might rethink his/her choice.

The breeds that are the most common in pounds are the breeds that are common in the community. The ones I follow have a lot of bull breeds and others I follow a lot of working breeds. Majority that I can see in one I follow are crossbreeds. Very few purebreds.

Edited May 13, 2016 by Kavik

[Willem]

...so if we know that some breeds get more dumped than others, how about this:

if you want to become a dog owner, you have to apply for registration of the wanted breed upfront. If the breed is one that gets more dumped than others the council will provide a free consultation to inform the owner of the risks - the owner may or may not change his/her mind, but at least can make an informed decision.

would this be practicable?... how long does the waiting period has to be?

This is problematic.

Breeds? We can't even identify "pitbulls" - breed is a guess unless you have a pedigreed, DNA tested animal e.g I can prove who my pups' parents are who in turn are pedigreed animals.

Some breeds get dumped more than others? Like some breeds bite more? You guessed it, there's nothing wrong with the breed itself, they are just more popular. I know. I've seen the data.

Councils DO NOT want to spend money on dogs and cats. They just don't.

you missed the context: ...this list I refer too are the dogs / breeds that are dumped more than other breeds - obviously causing the pounds more headaches than other breeds. If we know this, why not trying to address this? ....if we know that Maltese get dumped more often and we can detect dog owners interested in a Maltese upfront: that's the best timing for consultancy so the owner might rethink his/her choice.

The breeds that are the most common in pounds are the breeds that are common in the community. The ones I follow have a lot of bull breeds and others I follow a lot of working breeds. Majority that I can see in one I follow are crossbreeds. Very few purebreds.

I can't see this...according to your theory Maltese would be the most popular dog in Australia? ....according to the list Maltese are the most dumped breed because they show aggression and bark (in both categories they hold the first rank).

Eta: the list is from 2003 so a lot might have changed now; nevertheless such statistics could be one tool to address the issue 'full pounds' instead of riding the erratic de-sexing for all dogs campaign.

Edited May 13, 2016 by Willem

[Dogdragon]

You know what? I think you guys are looking at the stats on “Breeds” and forgetting that the humans circumstances(the dogs human) plays an important roll it the stats of dumping’s and attacks……Certainly not the breed. I think it’s a no brainer, certain breeds attract certain people for many reasons….

Well……maybe it’s a personal thing too……………………

I really don't think a specific breed is more likely to be dumped or more likely to attack.......Am I wrong? Dunno....but that what I think

[Willem]

http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/fact-sheets/pets/pet-road-tests/dog-dumpage/#.VzUcsI9OJhF

the data seems to come from the RSPCA so I assume they knew what they are talking about?

[Willem]

Willem are you an incognito politician? You sound to me like what I would imagine Mathias Cormann to sound like if he had a dog. :)

no, as already mentioned somewhere: I'm Chuck Norris older brother - he became rich and famous and I get the belting :D

[Dogdragon]

http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/fact-sheets/pets/pet-road-tests/dog-dumpage/#.VzUcsI9OJhF

the data seems to come from the RSPCA so I assume they knew what they are talking about?

Well forgive me for not accepting this info outright (not a fan of the RSPCA stats) but there are many variables in why dogs are dumped and why they attack......not just the breed..... No?