Dogs Jaw Lock

[Two Best Dogs!]

My dog behaviourist showed me how to use a break stick or similar to get a dog to open mouth. There is a similar method where you put pressure on side of jaws to force it open but wouldn't know how.

If an attack happens again I hope I could get the courage to do what I was shown. Hopefully wouldn't be solo next time either!

What didn't work for me was water, loud noise, pulling, kicking or hitting over the head with a frying pan. It was like the dog was closed off to the world and focussed on nothing else but holding onto thistle. I was not hintting lightly!

I got the mouth hold off by using my hips to force myself between the two and at the same time the bite hold was being readjusted. Pure luck in other words, nothing definite for me.

I hope your friends little guy is okay

Edited May 4, 2016 by Thistle the dog

[melzawelza]

Oops, gremlins.

Edited May 4, 2016 by melzawelza

[BlaznHotAussies]

Katdogs gosh that's terrifying!

I like to think that if I were ever in the situation the other dog wouldn't get off lightly, it is in no way a victim even if injured IMO. No dog living in suburbia should be allowed in that situation or ever get away with it.

If any dog attacked my dog like that I'd use any weapon I could get my hands on and wouldn't stop until the attacker was dead. After the video I saw this morning though I am feeling exceptionally hostile toward this type of dog.

So would you take the same action if another type of dog seriously attacked yours as described as KatDogs, or only if ' this type' of dog did? You know that all types of dogs can and do attack, and do so so?

It is always disappointing to see someone on a dog forum openly stating they are hostile towards types of dogs. Not dogs that behave a certain way, but dogs that look a certain way.

The type of dog that has the tenacity to rip into any other dog and not let go until you block off its airways.

So, all dogs then. Try investigating dog attacks for a living before deciding that serious attacks are only perpetrated by dogs of a certain 'type' or appearance. Did you read the whole thread? The dog in the OP was not a Bull Breed.

You haven't answered my question as to whether you would lay in to and kill a dog of a different appearance if it attacked your dog in a serious manner - you only said you would do so for a certain type of dog. What would you do if another type of dog seriously attacked your dog? Your words imply it would be different.

Yep, I probably would.

The dog in the OP was a Mastiff, which is a breed bred for fighting, hunting & guarding.

If a dog is bred for something, no amount of good upbringing will prevent the genetics coming through. How do Border Collies know how to use 'eye' when they are around livestock & Pointers instinctively know how to point?

[Dewclaws]

The name of these breeds are pretty descriptive if what they were originally bred to do . Which was grab on to the nose of a bull and not let go no matter how they were swung around and beaten in to the ground . When that was banned they where used for the equally cruel ' sport ' of dog fighting . A border collie is selectively bred to herd . A bull breed was selectively bred for jaw strength and a tenacity to hold on at all costs . It's not being a ' breedist' to acknowledge this . It's a reality that in a dog fight these breeds have a clear advantage due it's genes .

You can acknowledge this without getting defensive and saying other breeds can also causes severe damage . Which no one is denying .

[Rebanne]

Don't know why some of you are laying into Scootaloo. They clearly stated they saw a video this morning which has made them feel hostile to some types of dogs. Nowhwere did they say they only believe "those" types of dogs can and do attack. Obviously the video they saw has upset them greatly.

[Dewclaws]

And yes if another breed of dog was grabbing on to my dogs and wouldint let go then I would do all that I was capable of ending the fight including causing pain and injury to the other dog . No matter if it's a poodle or a St. Bernard or a Heinz variety mutt . My responsibility is towards my dog .

[BlaznHotAussies]

Don't know why some of you are laying into Scootaloo. They clearly stated they saw a video this morning which has made them feel hostile to some types of dogs. Nowhwere did they say they only believe "those" types of dogs can and do attack. Obviously the video they saw has upset them greatly.

Thank you Rebanne, it was one of the first things I saw on my newsfeed this morning and was horrifying. There was a person stabbing this dog with a knife and it didn't even appear to notice. I really, really doubt that if it was a Cattle dog or GSD that it would be able to ignore that.

And if I'm going to be attacked by anything, give me a Westie or Jack Russel over a Pitbull any day.

[Rascalmyshadow]

Katdogs gosh that's terrifying!

I like to think that if I were ever in the situation the other dog wouldn't get off lightly, it is in no way a victim even if injured IMO. No dog living in suburbia should be allowed in that situation or ever get away with it.

If any dog attacked my dog like that I'd use any weapon I could get my hands on and wouldn't stop until the attacker was dead. After the video I saw this morning though I am feeling exceptionally hostile toward this type of dog.

So would you take the same action if another type of dog seriously attacked yours as described as KatDogs, or only if ' this type' of dog did? You know that all types of dogs can and do attack, and do so so?

It is always disappointing to see someone on a dog forum openly stating they are hostile towards types of dogs. Not dogs that behave a certain way, but dogs that look a certain way.

The type of dog that has the tenacity to rip into any other dog and not let go until you block off its airways.

So, all dogs then. Try investigating dog attacks for a living before deciding that serious attacks are only perpetrated by dogs of a certain 'type' or appearance. Did you read the whole thread? The dog in the OP was not a Bull Breed.

You haven't answered my question as to whether you would lay in to and kill a dog of a different appearance if it attacked your dog in a serious manner - you only said you would do so for a certain type of dog. What would you do if another type of dog seriously attacked your dog? Your words imply it would be different.

Yep, I probably would.

The dog in the OP was a Mastiff, which is a breed bred for fighting, hunting & guarding.

If a dog is bred for something, no amount of good upbringing will prevent the genetics coming through. How do Border Collies know how to use 'eye' when they are around livestock & Pointers instinctively know how to point?

Rubbish this statement is unfair and incorrect, I have owned pitbulls and they were very friendly social dogs that lived with a Maltesex and a couple of cats. I have friends with staffy's that live with free range rabbits. I could keep going with the wonderful bull breeds I've known that certainly didn't run around attacking anything. Yes they have strong jaws but if socialised as babies they are no different to any other dogs.

Oh and if you see the way a JR can break a cats neck and rip it apart and it was your cat you might change your opinion about them as well.

Edited May 4, 2016 by Rascalmyshadow

[BlaznHotAussies]

Good for those dogs, but I know someone who raised their dogs in the home, around their other animals, kids, they went to horse shows every weekend, etc. but they still ended up becoming killing machines - one day they escaped & got into a nearby red deer farm & enjoyed a four day massacre. On another occasion they attacked a girl riding her horse & the final straw for them was when they attacked and pulled down her riding pony stallion.

Their owner used to be all about the "deed not the breed", brought them up as loved family pets & did everything supposedly "right" but her dogs still turned.

Needless to say, that put her off the breed completely.

[Willem]

While I don't condone any type of cruelty if stuck in this situation a good boot in the gut usually makes most dogs let go even the bull breeds. I've been in this position a couple of times over the years and its always worked.

Just rember if having to use excessive force both dogs should be seen by a vet, even of you don't feel sorry for the other dog it is still a victim.

...as long as you are not Chuck Norris or Jacky Chan (and they are quite old in the meanwhile too) I wouldn't recommend this for dogs over 30 kg...if an aggressive dog is in this stage he won't let go easily, and if, the next target could be your boot / leg.

Are you a troll?

In actual fact before having little dogs I owned bull breeds, so does my mum and a few friends. I have dealt with fights on multiple occasions, one involving my American Bulldog and Mini Poodle. The gut is a sensitive spot and even the toughest dogs will stop in their tracks if kicked hard, much safer option than puting your hands anywhere near the dog, generally how most people get bitten when trying to separate dogs.

Don't even waste time whacking a bull breed in the head it's the toughest part of the dog.

...not a troll, but Chuck's older brother....

if dogs are in this mental state, inflicting pain won't likely stop them to fight respectively bite. Dog fighting is well covered on YouTube - some documentaries are not nice to watch, but they give evidence how much pain a dog can take. They actually stop fighting not because of pain, but of sheer exhaustion, blood loss or death. Hence I never would try to inflict enough pain to make a dog let go if it is in such a state - cutting air supply by choking, or blood supply to the brain or inflicting death by bleeding seems to be more efficient....but I have no problems if you want to use your boot :D ...

Edited May 4, 2016 by Willem

[persephone]

Dog fights are awful ..and when a human is then also attacking , the combination is very ugly .

It is possible for almost any dog to be so focused that cutting off air supply is the only way to make it stop.Obviously the more solid the dog , the more difficult that task is

Serious dog fights are scary.

I honestly doubt that even I could kill an attacking dog by battering it - don't know .it's an awful thought .Point blank with a firearm, yes .

When I was 35 years younger, fit & strong , somehow two stud dogs got put together in a small yard in a kennel . One GSD .One large Lab. All I could do was grab each by the scruff and hold them on their hind legs - one in each hand .... and YELL like crazy for someone to come help! Just in the nick of time , someone did ..I was scared for my own safety ...

May I suggest , Scootaloo that you invest in something like THIS to filter out upsetting content. It certainly makes a difference! :)

[~Lisa~]

I know someone who had a Labrador which was raised in a loving, balanced home and still ended up becoming a 'killing machine'.

That doesn't change the fact that the majority of Labradors (when brought up correctly) will be lovely dogs. The same can be said for any other breed.

[persephone]

becoming killing machines - one day they escaped & got into a nearby red deer farm & enjoyed a four day massacre. On another occasion they attacked a girl riding her horse & the final straw for them was when they attacked and pulled down her riding pony stallion.

*sigh* killing machines?

More like just pack behaviour, and opportunity to satisfy prey drive.

I have seen a litter of labrador pups - 5-6 mths old ,disembowel one of their own ....

I have also seen SWF's attacking sheep - thank goodness they couldn't do any damage , though they wanted to!

I have been stalked by a pack of stray dogs who were habituated to humans /buildings

Dogs are just dogs - and basically, they are predators , moulded to suit humans . When the moulding weakens , or the support isn't strong - things happen.

[persephone]

I know someone who had a Labrador which was raised in a loving, balanced home and still ended up becoming a 'killing machine'.

That doesn't change the fact that the majority of Labradors (when brought up correctly) will be lovely dogs. The same can be said for any other breed.

hell yes:) I have such a soft spot for labs - worked with them for many years , owned a few ..and yes, have seen them bite/attack /stock chase .....

[dragonwoman]

For starters, I don't want this thread to become a "Bull Basher". I realise that Bull Breeds being able to "lock" their jaws is just a myth, brought about by the fact that they have such strong jaws.

The reason I ask, is because a friend of mine was walking her little dog along the footpath, not far from her home,when her dog was set upon by an unattended Bull breed dog. From the description it sounds like it was probably a Bull Terrier. In her effort to save her little guy, she was knocked to the ground & broke her arm & has very severe bruising. She is in hospital & so is her little mate, though it is doubtful he will survive.

She said "it was one of those bull breeds that lock their jaws" Someone came to her aid & between them they couldn't get the dog to open its jaws. I am not sure how they eventually got the little guy out of its mouth or what happened to the offender. I have only spoken to her briefly as she was to distraught to talk (understandably)..it must have been horrifying for her.

Question is...what can you do to get these dogs (or any large powerful dog) to open its jaws & let go, or how do you fight them off

Only way we could fix an episode at the beach after many minutes of trying (nice fluffy herding dogs!!) was to carry both into the water and immerse the offender's head until he let go.......shit of a dog and the temperament of the pup he attacked was shot forever :-( Many years ago ..................

[Willem]

Katdogs gosh that's terrifying!

I like to think that if I were ever in the situation the other dog wouldn't get off lightly, it is in no way a victim even if injured IMO. No dog living in suburbia should be allowed in that situation or ever get away with it.

If any dog attacked my dog like that I'd use any weapon I could get my hands on and wouldn't stop until the attacker was dead. After the video I saw this morning though I am feeling exceptionally hostile toward this type of dog.

So would you take the same action if another type of dog seriously attacked yours as described as KatDogs, or only if ' this type' of dog did? You know that all types of dogs can and do attack, and do so so?

It is always disappointing to see someone on a dog forum openly stating they are hostile towards types of dogs. Not dogs that behave a certain way, but dogs that look a certain way.

The type of dog that has the tenacity to rip into any other dog and not let go until you block off its airways.

So, all dogs then. Try investigating dog attacks for a living before deciding that serious attacks are only perpetrated by dogs of a certain 'type' or appearance. Did you read the whole thread? The dog in the OP was not a Bull Breed.

You haven't answered my question as to whether you would lay in to and kill a dog of a different appearance if it attacked your dog in a serious manner - you only said you would do so for a certain type of dog. What would you do if another type of dog seriously attacked your dog? Your words imply it would be different.

Yep, I probably would.

The dog in the OP was a Mastiff, which is a breed bred for fighting, hunting & guarding.

If a dog is bred for something, no amount of good upbringing will prevent the genetics coming through. How do Border Collies know how to use 'eye' when they are around livestock & Pointers instinctively know how to point?

Then please explain the number of dogs recovered from dog fighting ring busts, who have gone on to be wonderful family pets who haven't hurt anyone or anything, and some have even become therapy dogs?

...there are documentaries on YouTube showing that a lot of the fighting dogs (e.g. in Chicago) are living with families - they don't show any aggression towards humans / family members, even after they had fights. The problem is once they are trained for fighting and might have had a few fights it would be very hard to eliminate their aggression towards other dogs. They still might not attack humans, but it will get ugly if another dog is around.

[Salukifan]

The moment breed is raised in any of these discussions, the argument is lost.

The issue of a dog's danger is about genetics AND socialisation (or the lack thereof) AND environment AND history AND owner AND 'victim behaviour.

Clearly the larger the dog, the bigger the risk of serious injury and the more difficult for a human to deter.

But seriously people, can the breed bashing/defending. That's precisely the kind of specious thinking that got us BSL in the first place.

We're on a dog forum. Lets talk like knowledgeable dog people.

Edited May 4, 2016 by Haredown Whippets

[Gallomph]

The fire extinguisher (powder type) in the eyes does work. And has the advantage that you don't have to get too close, and the dog can't see (temporarily) to renew it's attack or turn on you - it gives you a bit of time to get away. Which is fine if you happen to be at home...

The problem is finding one small enough to take with you on walks. I've googled, and it seems there are a few small ones around designed for use on boats. But they were all on US websites...

[Rascalmyshadow]

While I don't condone any type of cruelty if stuck in this situation a good boot in the gut usually makes most dogs let go even the bull breeds. I've been in this position a couple of times over the years and its always worked.

Just rember if having to use excessive force both dogs should be seen by a vet, even of you don't feel sorry for the other dog it is still a victim.

...as long as you are not Chuck Norris or Jacky Chan (and they are quite old in the meanwhile too) I wouldn't recommend this for dogs over 30 kg...if an aggressive dog is in this stage he won't let go easily, and if, the next target could be your boot / leg.

Are you a troll?

In actual fact before having little dogs I owned bull breeds, so does my mum and a few friends. I have dealt with fights on multiple occasions, one involving my American Bulldog and Mini Poodle. The gut is a sensitive spot and even the toughest dogs will stop in their tracks if kicked hard, much safer option than puting your hands anywhere near the dog, generally how most people get bitten when trying to separate dogs.

Don't even waste time whacking a bull breed in the head it's the toughest part of the dog.

...not a troll, but Chuck's older brother....

if dogs are in this mental state, inflicting pain won't likely stop them to fight respectively bite. Dog fighting is well covered on YouTube - some documentaries are not nice to watch, but they give evidence how much pain a dog can take. They actually stop fighting not because of pain, but of sheer exhaustion, blood loss or death. Hence I never would try to inflict enough pain to make a dog let go if it is in such a state - cutting air supply by choking, or blood supply to the brain or inflicting death by bleeding seems to be more efficient....but I have no problems if you want to use your boot :D ...

I know plenty about dog fighting spent years researching it own many books about pitdogs and their history, they were not killing machines that went around attacking everything.

They were well trained family pets that were bred to have exceptional temperaments.

Advising someone to put their hands near two dogs fighting is just asking for trouble.

Edited May 4, 2016 by Rascalmyshadow

[Mum to Emma]

A nail gun will do it.

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