The Price Of Puppies , Will The Expectations Of The 'product'

[Steve]

cant see anything worng with someone advertising puppies and selling them for what ever price they want to put on them.

Requiring that the breeder be registered with MDBA or ANKC or other breed club - means at least there is a code of ethics...

I see a lot wrong with random breeding of lots of puppies with no health checks for profit. I see a lot wrong with paddocks full of puppy stalls and not enough human contact - maybe an exception for livestock guardian breeds.

But after Oddball the movie - there's people wanting those for a home pet. So maybe even those puppies should get lots of diverse people experience.

Requiring microchip details and limiting the price on mutts - goes some way to taking the profit out of it. A small step in the right direction if you ask me.

There is the same laws for anyone breeding puppies whether they are registered or not - the codes of ethics only have those things which affect the club's dogs re pedigree registrations etc. Most state laws are more strict that most CC codes.

If you really believe that all registered breeders do health checks and that none of them do random breedings primarily for profit might need to have a better look. .How they are kept,why they are bred,how much socialising etc etc is not the responsibility of the place,newspaper, website etc people can advertise on.

Its a free market place and prices are determined by supply and demand - right now French Bulldog puppies are selling for up to $10,000 each and any buyer has a choice on getting a pup that comes with papers from a registered breeder or not. Some will be happy to pay without the papers and without the breeder being registered.

My point is that consumers should be able to find the product of their choice without restriction. Some people want to own purebreds others want crossbreds, others dont care and others only want a rescue .Some dont mind having to wait and others cant wait ,some dont mind getting put through an inquisition by the breeder and some do . Its a free country and I dont believe its up to the advertising supplier to have to make decisions on whether someone who want to advertise their puppies for sale is asking a fair price or not - who determines that? Or whether the puppies come from one place or one breeder or another.

At least the people who are advertising on these sites are being responsible for the sale and having contact with the buyers- is it better for them to dump them in rescue or pet shops?

[Mrs Rusty Bucket]

Most state laws are more strict that most CC codes.

I live in the exception state. And yes we have some ANKC registered for profit puppy farmers.

I guess my main problem with the puppy breeder taking no responsibility for who is buying the puppy and what happens then - is the crap I have do deal with every day at the off lead dog parks and on the local footpaths.

People are seriously clueless about all things dog.

It didn't matter so much when there were only 10mill people in Australia and we were a lot more spread out with more parks and room to move, bigger back yards and any nasty dogs were routinely culled.

But now we're crammed together and not all dogs deal nicely with that.

[Simply Grand]

Wow had no idea of gum trees policies . I am astonished.

If the trading post enforced the same rules then the whole dog section would vanish overnight !

The vast majority of dogs are backyard/puppy farm bred (passion for pets is the big outlet in vic) and the vast majority are being sold way way over $500.

Considering the trading post is privately owned and breeding sogs is not illegal then I doubt rspca could do anything .

Dogs ( specifically apparently, not pets) is one of two categories Trading Post charges for for ads, they are obviously making money from it so I doubt they'll be motivated to change anything soon

[espinay2]

I see a lot wrong with random breeding of lots of puppies with no health checks for profit. I see a lot wrong with paddocks full of puppy stalls and not enough human contact - maybe an exception for livestock guardian breeds.

A bit off topic, but even LGD breeds bred as working dogs should be raised with plenty of human contact. The myth that they should be raised hands off has caused much more trouble than good.

In relation to the selling of dogs, I do agree that in reality a person selling a dog can charge as much as they like. To not allow them to do that may be akin to 'price fixing' which is illegal. It is up to the consumer to decide if the product is worth the price. Whether someone thinks it is worth the price can be personal (ask a Holden person if a Ford is worth the price for example) but it can also come down to marketing and supply and demand and also education abut what they should expect. If purebred dogs want to 'compete' they need to 'sell' the virtues of their product to the public in a way that is meaningful to them. In reality purebred dogs are somewhat of a niche market. They make up only a small percentage of the dog population (and frankly there is no way they could fulfil the whole market).

IF we want people to understand about how to make good consumer choices when if comes to purchasing a dog, they need more education on what to look for. That however goes beyond 'don't buy a mutt buy a purebred' as that is not in reality thedetermining factor when it comes to getting a healthy stable pet and in reality is only minimally helpful (and sometimes depending on where they buy a purebred dog and/or how the message is given, it is downright damaging). We need to educate about other indicators, and that includes things like the value of ongoing support and assistance etc.

Edited February 11, 2016 by espinay2