Two Best Dogs! Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) I have chosen, thanks :D Measuring dog was hard so I hope the medium webmaster fits! Am struggling to choose as we slowly work on recall and offlead skills (so for both solo exercising, controlled playing with other dogs and eventually dabbling in tracking. So light enough she forgets it is there, but strong enough to not lose her?) Never had a syn tek lead, are they as strong as advertised? Also not sure if the 10mm vs 16mm makes for notable difference? She's 35kg, doesn't usually pull hard but that may change with distance to build up speed. Tossing up between the 10 metre 10mm (leaning to orange for visibility? and 10 metre 16mm (only in black??) and a harness to go with, narrowed down to 3. Leaning to this one with reflective strap. Would get the In Training and Do Not Pet patches This one seems to be the same but with thicker straps? I don't like how they seem to be up in the armpit, she has no fur there so worried about rubbing. This one seems new, I like the padded breast plate type of it. Does anyone use stuff like this? Stuff i should look out for? Edited February 5, 2016 by Thistle the dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I have the narrowest Syn Tek long lead, and I find it great! Only thing I have found is it is a bit slippery when wet but other than that it is great, feels lovely. My dog is only a Kelpie so not sure if the smallest is up to a larger dog, huski should be able to help there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canisbellum Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I have 10m orange 16m and had a 10mm briefly. The 10mm was nice and light but was easy to burn the fingers if the dog was running and you needed to put the brakes on. The 16mm is friendlier to the fingers but heavier and a pain to control. The syntek itself is awesome, zero maintenance, gripping wet or dry. If I was buying again I would rather have the 10mm I think but I tend to use the 5m lead more nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) I wouldn't use the 10mm for a 35kg dog - we use them most for pups and smaller dogs. The Syn Tek lines are definitely super strong, we use them to restrain dogs in bite work etc, so we need to trust it is equipment that can't break. The thing I love most about it though is that unlike nylon lines they don't retain water and can easily wipe clean if they get dirty. I personally prefer the style of the DT Fun harness, but the works is very popular for the large reflective strap which is great if you walk early morning or late evenings. My favourite general use harness is the Webmaster harness by Ruffwear, it doesn't have velcro for patches but you can sew them/attach them on if you were that way inclined. The Webmaster isn't as easy to put on the dog as the DT harnesses though. ETA: 10m is a very long line. It usually gives me the s**** if I use a 10m line for anything other than tracking, it is SO long and gets tangled and you end up with excess line 99% of the time. I find for most applications, 5m is plenty of length, though I guess it would also depend how far away from you the dog would be working - if you are the point where you are doing big distance control exercises though I don't see the need for a 10m line anyway. The 5m would just be there as insurance. Edited February 5, 2016 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsmum Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I love the feel of my syntek lead (I only have the normal length). That said I don't use the collar much anymore - it's too rough on Scottie's coat for everyday use (I find). You could also use a lunge lead: http://www.saddleworld.com.au/brands/Eurohunter/eh_tackroom/ehsafetylunge.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Definitely a webmaster harness over the DT harness if your harness inclined. The school of thought by some of the vets is that straps across a dogs chest can restrict range of motion and cause problems. The webmaster on the other hand gives full range of motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 ....ETA: 10m is a very long line. It usually gives me the s**** if I use a 10m line for anything other than tracking, it is SO long and gets tangled and you end up with excess line 99% of the time. I find for most applications, 5m is plenty of length, though I guess it would also depend how far away from you the dog would be working - if you are the point where you are doing big distance control exercises though I don't see the need for a 10m line anyway. The 5m would just be there as insurance. yep, 10 m is very long...IMO it doesn't make a big difference whether you train the recall while your dog is 5m or 10m away...I use a 5 m long leash and it works just fine (nothing fancy, I just check that they have a strong bolt snap hook...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Best Dogs! Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Hmm maybe I will go pace out 5m to see what it feels like with pup. Start of with it is primarily for teaching her recall when mingling with other dogs cause right now they are much more interesting than me XD Dilemma. I want her to be able to play (politely) with other dogs (chasies, it's always chasies!) and roam around sniffing so I thought 10m is best option but I'm not wanting anyone to get tangled including me. Does syn tek catch on things easy? I do have a horse line, I forget the length, but it is heavy so I'm wanting something more easy to frolic with. Also it holds water like woah! Am not wanting finger burn! Looking like 16mm is better length. I was thinking to tie strategic knots so I have some contact points I'm not fussed about patches, just thought they were kind of neat. But I'm also getting pretty good at telling ppl to not bother us. Darn I wish I could try these harnesses on her! I don't want to make the wrong purchase. Is why I was looking at the third one as it doesn't seem to go across the chest like the others? I need to get home and measure too. Edited February 5, 2016 by Thistle the dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canisbellum Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 A long line catches on everything and is good at bringing people down and burning their legs unless they right next to you and paying attention. Also good for tripping other dogs up. I wouldn't be using it for that at a dog park. I did that in the beginning with Jonah but I had to be on my toes all the time 10m is also a long way away if there is strife, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Best Dogs! Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 Not the dog park! One on one sessions with Dididog and a couple of other dogs on my approved dogs list. All one on one dogs though. Not groups. Am not sure how to proof recall from high distractions like playing with dogs without a lead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 dog on a long leash (no matter whether it is 5 or 10 meters) going nuts with another dog doesn't work ...results in one big knot = chaos :D . I recommend to train the recall before you respectively your dog reach the other dog - and therefore it doesn't have to be a 10 meter leash: if your dog is e.g. 3 meters away from the other dog, you are 5 meters from your dog controlling the distance to the other dog with the leash...that's perfectly fine for training the recall. If Thistle comes ...treat / reward and next time closer...and again and again...you can reward the dog allowing a brief sniff....once the dog responds reliable you can let them run free (without leash) and play for a few minutes in a fenced area, then try the recall again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Best Dogs! Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Oh yeah all that makes sense, and I think what maybe dididog and I will be doing whenever we next meet. Well, after a nice walk and some butt sniffing. I'm not sure. Didi has great recall so I was hoping Didi's owner would be my teacher for that. But there would be a lead to lure her back/ensure she does come to me if no response after the first few seconds? So my horse lunge is 10 metres so I'm gonna go half that and see how I feel... ETA: Okay I see what you all mean XD 5 metres is pretty long. But also suspect any playing will get out of reach quickly. Also forgot to say, she gets too excited during play so I need to be able to grab the lead and bring her back and calm her down until she relises calm play only... Edited February 5, 2016 by Thistle the dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 The last harness or one of the ruffwear harnesses. I have the 16mm 5meter long line then went and got the 10mm 10meter long line!! I love them both so not all that much help :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Best Dogs! Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 I am pretty decided on the ruffwear webmaster :) I really like all the padding for her furless parts (genetics?), the bright red visibility and the handle. I am still leaning towards the 10 metre...thinking if it is a giant tangled pain I can just cut it to half, do some amendments then have a 5metre and a 4 metre (to account for new handle/clasp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canisbellum Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 When using a long line I hold a loop it in my left hand like a hose or extension cord and control the lead and it's length with the right looping it back as I shorten it so there is not a huge amount of slack lead laying around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canisbellum Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 This with about 20m when he had zero recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Best Dogs! Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 Look at him go! 10 metre it is, that is what I'm hoping to get! I've got everything in my shopping cart, I'm about $10 off free shipping so trying to find a toy I reckon she'd like XD How exciting, our first harness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just shoot me an email to [email protected] with Thistles chest girth measurement and weight and I'll help size her up. I don't often get sizing wrong ;) The webmasters are great as they have so much adjustment and points to fit it just right. Syn tek is smooth so doesn't catch on things easily but any line can easily get tangled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Best Dogs! Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 Oh I just paid and everything!! Will send you an email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Oh I just paid and everything!! Will send you an email Lol no worries. We can easily swap it for something else or another size if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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