Bjelkier Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Have you seen their fencing? It looks pretty damn good to me. That tiny little hole barely looks big enough for a Malamutes muzzle ...in this source from another angle; I don't call this a sound fence to contain powerful dogs, however, I don't know how it looks from the inside. If there is nothing that would hinder the dogs from digging their way through it is definitely not suitable. so your dog is contained in an escape proof yard? Yes, please show us the fort knoxs you have created to keep your dog 100% safe from everything that could possibly happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 That is a massive colour bond fence, how much more do people have to do to keep their dogs away from people? That tiny hole is way too small for a Malamute to get through or easily stick it's head out. I would assume that would be more than enough to protect my dogs. It would be completely understandable to assume your dogs safe when secured from escaping or sticking their heads out of their own property; which is your obligation as a pet owner in suburbia. You need to secure your dogs and that's what the owners have done. It was a horrible accident but that's all. NO!!!!...the tragic is that all these kind of accidents are preventable if people would follow their duty of care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Have you seen their fencing? It looks pretty damn good to me. That tiny little hole barely looks big enough for a Malamutes muzzle ...in this source from another angle; I don't call this a sound fence to contain powerful dogs, however, I don't know how it looks from the inside. If there is nothing that would hinder the dogs from digging their way through it is definitely not suitable. so your dog is contained in an escape proof yard? Yes, please show us the fort knoxs you have created to keep your dog 100% safe from everything that could possibly happen. firstly: I don't own such powerful dogs! secondly: despite owning 'only' a BC, I took this tragic accident as a sad reminder to inspect my fence as one side is adjacent to a family with a toddler. This afternoon I will have a chat with the neighbour and we will inspect the fence from his site to discuss any potential safety issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Seriously Willem what is your problem? It was a tiny gap, that may very well have been filled before that day but rain could have washed away some dirt or a rock was moved....who knows? More than likely, like a normal person, the owner would have thought that hole was TOO SMALL to be a concern. Once again, would you like to show us the covered concrete bunker you must obviously keep your dogs in because I fail to see how something couldn't get moved or a small hole dug any other way. Obviously people are only human and we're not all perfect dog owners like yourself And don't even start on that powerful dog BULLSHIT! Jesus H Christ......just because a dog is big does not automatically make is a danger to society. Tendons can be severed by any breed..... Edited November 24, 2015 by Bjelkier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 That is a massive colour bond fence, how much more do people have to do to keep their dogs away from people? That tiny hole is way too small for a Malamute to get through or easily stick it's head out. I would assume that would be more than enough to protect my dogs. It would be completely understandable to assume your dogs safe when secured from escaping or sticking their heads out of their own property; which is your obligation as a pet owner in suburbia. You need to secure your dogs and that's what the owners have done. It was a horrible accident but that's all. NO!!!!...the tragic is that all these kind of accidents are preventable if people would follow their duty of care! That's what an accident is, but we're all human and imperfect. There's always crystal clear preventatives in hindsight but what's done is done. Apportioning blame all over the place and getting hysterical about it is counter productive. As above. The dogs were secured per law. The child was in the wrong place at the wrong time and dreadfully maimed. It was a horrible accident and that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Seriously Willem what is your problem? It was a tiny gap, that may very well have been filled before that day but rain could have washed away some dirt or a rock was moved....who knows? More than likely, like a normal person, the owner would have thought that hole was TOO SMALL to be a concern. Once again, would you like to show us the covered concrete bunker you must obviously keep your dogs in because I fail to see how something couldn't get moved or a small hole dug any other way. Obviously people are only human and we're not all perfect dog owners like yourself And don't even start on that powerful dog BULLSHIT! Jesus H Christ......just because a dog is big does not automatically make is a danger to society what's your problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Have you seen their fencing? It looks pretty damn good to me. That tiny little hole barely looks big enough for a Malamutes muzzle ...in this source from another angle; I don't call this a sound fence to contain powerful dogs, however, I don't know how it looks from the inside. If there is nothing that would hinder the dogs from digging their way through it is definitely not suitable. so your dog is contained in an escape proof yard? Yes, please show us the fort knoxs you have created to keep your dog 100% safe from everything that could possibly happen. firstly: I don't own such powerful dogs! secondly: despite owning 'only' a BC, I took this tragic accident as a sad reminder to inspect my fence as one side is adjacent to a family with a toddler. This afternoon I will have a chat with the neighbour and we will inspect the fence from his site to discuss any potential safety issues. Your BC could easily do enough damage to a child's hand/arm that it would require amputation. I've investigated an incident where a tiny Poodle X practically degloved an elderly woman's hand - she needed specialist hand surgery. Do not underestimate how powerful ALL dogs mouths are. Edited November 24, 2015 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Have you seen their fencing? It looks pretty damn good to me. That tiny little hole barely looks big enough for a Malamutes muzzle ...in this source from another angle; I don't call this a sound fence to contain powerful dogs, however, I don't know how it looks from the inside. If there is nothing that would hinder the dogs from digging their way through it is definitely not suitable. so your dog is contained in an escape proof yard? Yes, please show us the fort knoxs you have created to keep your dog 100% safe from everything that could possibly happen. firstly: I don't own such powerful dogs! secondly: despite owning 'only' a BC, I took this tragic accident as a sad reminder to inspect my fence as one side is adjacent to a family with a toddler. This afternoon I will have a chat with the neighbour and we will inspect the fence from his site to discuss any potential safety issues. Your BC could easily do enough damage to a child's hand/arm that it would require amputation. I've investigated an incident where a tiny Poodle X practically degloved an elderly woman's hand - she needed specialist hand surgery. Do not underestimate how powerful ALL dogs mouths are. I don't underestimate the damage she can do - exactly that's the reason why I try to learn something from this accident and don't take it as god given.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbedWire Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Believe me, this is civil..... Am I supposed to feel threatened? Willem loves his child and you love your dog. Okay. You don't have to fight about it. Neither his child nor your dog was involved so let's be civil. Both of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 guys, this thread is not about me and our dog - it is about a tragic accident happened to 8 year old girl, who will be reminded of it for the rest of her life! The question I ask myself when reading about those accidents is: what can I do to make the environment around my dog a little bit safer to minimize the risk that those accidents happen again?...in this specific case I had already a close look at my own fence, because that is something I can fix (if there is a weak spot), doesn't cost much and might prevent another accident. @Bjelkier: ...just put me on the 'ignored user list' - problem solved :D ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Have you seen their fencing? It looks pretty damn good to me. That tiny little hole barely looks big enough for a Malamutes muzzle ...in this source from another angle; I don't call this a sound fence to contain powerful dogs, however, I don't know how it looks from the inside. If there is nothing that would hinder the dogs from digging their way through it is definitely not suitable. so your dog is contained in an escape proof yard? Yes, please show us the fort knoxs you have created to keep your dog 100% safe from everything that could possibly happen. firstly: I don't own such powerful dogs! secondly: despite owning 'only' a BC, I took this tragic accident as a sad reminder to inspect my fence as one side is adjacent to a family with a toddler. This afternoon I will have a chat with the neighbour and we will inspect the fence from his site to discuss any potential safety issues. nothing stopping a BC from ripping off a kids arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascalmyshadow Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Jesus I have kids as well and are very protective over them however I still think the kid has put her hand where it didn't belong and the dog owners had their dogs contained properly and legally on their property. Any breed including my 2kg chi can damage tendons in a small child enough to cause serious damage. A few years ago a child lost their hand from being seriously bitten by the families pet ferret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 guys, this thread is not about me and our dog - it is about a tragic accident happened to 8 year old girl, who will be reminded of it for the rest of her life! The question I ask myself when reading about those accidents is: what can I do to make the environment around my dog a little bit safer to minimize the risk that those accidents happen again?...in this specific case I had already a close look at my own fence, because that is something I can fix (if there is a weak spot), doesn't cost much and might prevent another accident. @Bjelkier: ...just put me on the 'ignored user list' - problem solved :D ! so is your dog in an escape proof yard? Concrete flooring so it can't dig and a roof over head so it can't climb, with a padlock on the gate. Cause that's the only way to fully prevent things like this happening. I had to tell my neighbour not to let his grandkid feed my dogs goodoh's through the once inch gap in the fence. Cause if the kid got a fright and ripped her fingers back nothing surer my dogs would get the blame. GSD's at the time. I didn't fix the fence, my dogs couldn't get anything more then a whisker through. Kid stopped feeding the dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 guys, this thread is not about me and our dog - it is about a tragic accident happened to 8 year old girl, who will be reminded of it for the rest of her life! The question I ask myself when reading about those accidents is: what can I do to make the environment around my dog a little bit safer to minimize the risk that those accidents happen again?...in this specific case I had already a close look at my own fence, because that is something I can fix (if there is a weak spot), doesn't cost much and might prevent another accident. @Bjelkier: ...just put me on the 'ignored user list' - problem solved :D ! so is your dog in an escape proof yard? Concrete flooring so it can't dig and a roof over head so it can't climb, with a padlock on the gate. Cause that's the only way to fully prevent things like this happening.... honestly and in a nutshell: the backyard is currently safe, but there is room for improvement. Are you happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Have you seen their fencing? It looks pretty damn good to me. That tiny little hole barely looks big enough for a Malamutes muzzle ...in this source from another angle; I don't call this a sound fence to contain powerful dogs, however, I don't know how it looks from the inside. If there is nothing that would hinder the dogs from digging their way through it is definitely not suitable. so your dog is contained in an escape proof yard? Yes, please show us the fort knoxs you have created to keep your dog 100% safe from everything that could possibly happen. firstly: I don't own such powerful dogs! secondly: despite owning 'only' a BC, I took this tragic accident as a sad reminder to inspect my fence as one side is adjacent to a family with a toddler. This afternoon I will have a chat with the neighbour and we will inspect the fence from his site to discuss any potential safety issues. Your BC could easily do enough damage to a child's hand/arm that it would require amputation. I've investigated an incident where a tiny Poodle X practically degloved an elderly woman's hand - she needed specialist hand surgery. Do not underestimate how powerful ALL dogs mouths are. I don't underestimate the damage she can do - exactly that's the reason why I try to learn something from this accident and don't take it as god given.... By using the fact that you own a BC rather than a Malamute as reason why you shouldn't have to meet the extremely high standards for containment you are advocating for in this thread, you are clearly underestimating the damage your dog could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 guys, this thread is not about me and our dog - it is about a tragic accident happened to 8 year old girl, who will be reminded of it for the rest of her life! The question I ask myself when reading about those accidents is: what can I do to make the environment around my dog a little bit safer to minimize the risk that those accidents happen again?...in this specific case I had already a close look at my own fence, because that is something I can fix (if there is a weak spot), doesn't cost much and might prevent another accident. @Bjelkier: ...just put me on the 'ignored user list' - problem solved :D ! so is your dog in an escape proof yard? Concrete flooring so it can't dig and a roof over head so it can't climb, with a padlock on the gate. Cause that's the only way to fully prevent things like this happening.... honestly and in a nutshell: the backyard is currently safe, but there is room for improvement. Are you happy now? So if it isn't perfect (i.e. there's room for improvement as there was in this case) you're taking the risk your dog could do this exact thing to a child. So why do you expect any more from other dog owners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 oh dear... I didn't think that my English was so bad - my humble apology: I thought I made it quite clear that I don't underestimate the damage our dog can do, she has actually a very powerful bite. ...the 'only' BC was put in apostrophe...however, one single BC is obviously easier to handle and to supervise than 3 Malamutes... Our backyard has no adjacent border to the street (blocked by the house), to get into the backyard needs passing 2 lockable gates ...plus most of the time our dog is supervised. The fence of concern to one of the neighbours (the one with the toddler, who will get a Rottweiler soon BTW) is a 1.8 m high wooden fence plus some wire mesh in front of it (so somehow double fenced). The ground is not concrete, but with some reinforcement - could she dig through?...properly, but it would take some time. I will do a proper inspection with my neighbour from the other site of the fence and we will discus what we do - till then I / my wife will inspect the fence twice a day. Despite all the interest in my backyard, I suggest we start a separate thread about 'yard safety' where we can discuss further details about my backyard and all the things that could made our gardens / premises dog safer if people are really interested in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph M Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Pretty sure you started it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemmy Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I think this article was written in a very emotive style, and the case presented is so wildly different from original reports that we'll probably never know exactly what happened. Still a horrible scenario for all involved though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ell&diesel Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 ... The fence of concern to one of the neighbours (the one with the toddler, who will get a Rottweiler soon BTW) Just wondering what the relevance of your neighbojr's choice of future dog breed is to...well, anything really. You seem to have already caused quite the ruckus in the Bunnings thread with some of your... opinions. Just wondering why you felt it pertinent to mention the breed of dog your neighbour is choosing to own in the future in response to questions about your own infallible yard containment system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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