JulesP Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I freak out in Bunnings on the weekend! Don't think I would want to subject my dogs to that. And mine go to a heap of busy places (markets, gardens etc). it would be a pain in the arse to manoeuvre them around the trollies etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Having travelled in Europe with dogs the whole culture is different. I saw a lot of dogs on ferries and inside restaurants etc and overall the dog smarts of the owners are higher than the average Australian, and the temperament and training of the dogs better than the average Australian dog. And that will never change without a preparedness to accept a high level of disruption while we "catch up" to those standards. For a long time Australia's had a 'working' view of dogs not a companion view, and that's translated badly into our increasingly urbanised and segregated lives. I agree that if your dog doesn't need to be with you, then don't take it. However, the other day I unavoidably had to run some messages on the way home after taking a dog to a health test, and I deliberately chose a shopping centre with an underground car park. It was a pain and out of my way, but at least it was cool. If we can do approved parking for people with strollers at shopping centres, can Bunnings not demonstrate some of its shade products in a the carpark in a parking area? Honestly I get tired of seeing dogs being fried on ute trays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Well more details on the incident and the kid went in for a pat, no surprise! http://mobile.news.com.au/finance/business/bunnings-new-pet-friendly-policy-has-been-called-into-question-after-a-dog-bites-girl/story-fnkgdftz-1227601830750 ...it says 'But before her little girl could get within patting range, she said, the dog — believed to be a Jack Russell terrier — allegedly bit her on the leg.' ...the dog didn't even bit into her hand...which could have been expected if the intended patting triggered the accident. The point is that if dog owners take their dogs into Bunnings (or other self-service outlets) they know that there are other people around and that it is not possible / practical to keep a 'safe distance' all the time. Lining up on the check-out can cause some accidental contact - any dog confronted with such an scenario has to be absolutely stress resistant. A dog that can't be patted by a child should not be taken into Bunnings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Did you miss the first bit? 'Tried to pat' sorry but where was the mother at this point? You don't try to pat strange dogs, it's not rocket science. Edited November 9, 2015 by donatella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbedWire Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why are people blaming the victim? Seriously if your dog does not like being approached by children who want to pat it, don't take it to Bunnings. It is not adequately socialised. Note in the last link how the owner claims the dog had never been aggressive before but both dogs kept barking as they were leaving the store. How many times do we hear on here that some idiot claimed that their dog was friendly before it attacked their dog, and posters are up in arms about the stupidity of the attacking (friendly?) dog's owner but when it is a child that is attacked it is the child's fault. Children do silly things. That is their nature. However they should be safe from a dog attack in Bunnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why are people blaming the victim? Seriously if your dog does not like being approached by children who want to pat it, don't take it to Bunnings. It is not adequately socialised. Note in the last link how the owner claims the dog had never been aggressive before but both dogs kept barking as they were leaving the store. How many times do we hear on here that some idiot claimed that their dog was friendly before it attacked their dog, and posters are up in arms about the stupidity of the attacking (friendly?) dog's owner but when it is a child that is attacked it is the child's fault. Children do silly things. That is their nature. However they should be safe from a dog attack in Bunnings. So what would have happened if the child didn't go in for the pat? Potentially no bite. Don't approach strange dogs or risk a bite! The dog was probably scared but the owner obviously had no idea it would so such a thing surely if they did they would have at least stopped the attempted pat? Do not approach strange dogs, simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Did you miss the first bit? 'Tried to pat' sorry but where was the mother at this point? You don't try to pat strange dogs, it's not rocket science. ...I guess you missed this: 'Bunnings operations director Michael Schneider then said that while customers weren’t being encouraged to bring pets inside, “as long as pets are under appropriate control, are not aggressive and do not compromise the safety of our team or customers they are welcome”. ...the 'appropriate control' is the duty of the dog owner, not the parents ....the kid didn't bite the dog!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I find it odd how when a child is bitten so many assume that the child must have done something to the dog. Sometimes a dog will bite just because it wants to without any provocation. I don't believe dogs should be in shops full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) The owner states the dog had never been aggressive before so he was abiding by the statement. The dog was on a lead under control in an area where dogs where allowed. The kid approached the dog, you don't allow your kids to approach strange dogs! If she didn't there would be no bite No different to this happening on the street. The dog was on lead in area that allowed dogs. Edited November 9, 2015 by donatella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbedWire Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why are people blaming the victim? Seriously if your dog does not like being approached by children who want to pat it, don't take it to Bunnings. It is not adequately socialised. Note in the last link how the owner claims the dog had never been aggressive before but both dogs kept barking as they were leaving the store. How many times do we hear on here that some idiot claimed that their dog was friendly before it attacked their dog, and posters are up in arms about the stupidity of the attacking (friendly?) dog's owner but when it is a child that is attacked it is the child's fault. Children do silly things. That is their nature. However they should be safe from a dog attack in Bunnings. So what would have happened if the child didn't go in for the pat? Potentially no bite. Don't approach strange dogs or risk a bite! The dog was probably scared but the owner obviously had no idea it would so such a thing surely if they did they would have at least stopped the attempted pat? Do not approach strange dogs, simple Yes dog savvy parents tell their children this, but not all parents know about dogs. Nor should they be expected to know about them. The onus is on dog owners to be educated and they should know about dogs and what they are capable of and not take them to Bunnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbedWire Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Did you miss the first bit? 'Tried to pat' sorry but where was the mother at this point? You don't try to pat strange dogs, it's not rocket science. ...I guess you missed this: 'Bunnings operations director Michael Schneider then said that while customers weren’t being encouraged to bring pets inside, “as long as pets are under appropriate control, are not aggressive and do not compromise the safety of our team or customers they are welcome”. ...the 'appropriate control' is the duty of the dog owner, not the parents ....the kid didn't bite the dog!!! Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why are people blaming the victim? Seriously if your dog does not like being approached by children who want to pat it, don't take it to Bunnings. It is not adequately socialised. Note in the last link how the owner claims the dog had never been aggressive before but both dogs kept barking as they were leaving the store. How many times do we hear on here that some idiot claimed that their dog was friendly before it attacked their dog, and posters are up in arms about the stupidity of the attacking (friendly?) dog's owner but when it is a child that is attacked it is the child's fault. Children do silly things. That is their nature. However they should be safe from a dog attack in Bunnings. So what would have happened if the child didn't go in for the pat? Potentially no bite. Don't approach strange dogs or risk a bite! The dog was probably scared but the owner obviously had no idea it would so such a thing surely if they did they would have at least stopped the attempted pat? Do not approach strange dogs, simple Yes dog savvy parents tell their children this, but not all parents know about dogs. Nor should they be expected to know about them. The onus is on dog owners to be educated and they should know about dogs and what they are capable of and not take them to Bunnings. Well perhaps this is a lesson for the parents. The dog had no history of aggression, the owner took it on lead to an area that allowed dogs. Who is in the wrong :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbedWire Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why are people blaming the victim? Seriously if your dog does not like being approached by children who want to pat it, don't take it to Bunnings. It is not adequately socialised. Note in the last link how the owner claims the dog had never been aggressive before but both dogs kept barking as they were leaving the store. How many times do we hear on here that some idiot claimed that their dog was friendly before it attacked their dog, and posters are up in arms about the stupidity of the attacking (friendly?) dog's owner but when it is a child that is attacked it is the child's fault. Children do silly things. That is their nature. However they should be safe from a dog attack in Bunnings. So what would have happened if the child didn't go in for the pat? Potentially no bite. Don't approach strange dogs or risk a bite! The dog was probably scared but the owner obviously had no idea it would so such a thing surely if they did they would have at least stopped the attempted pat? Do not approach strange dogs, simple Yes dog savvy parents tell their children this, but not all parents know about dogs. Nor should they be expected to know about them. The onus is on dog owners to be educated and they should know about dogs and what they are capable of and not take them to Bunnings. Well perhaps this is a lesson for the parents. The dog had no history of aggression, the owner took it on lead to an area that allowed dogs. Who is in the wrong :laugh: Why is this funny? Because someone has responded to the ludicrous claims that it is the child's fault. Are you just stirring the pot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbedWire Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why are people blaming the victim? Seriously if your dog does not like being approached by children who want to pat it, don't take it to Bunnings. It is not adequately socialised. Note in the last link how the owner claims the dog had never been aggressive before but both dogs kept barking as they were leaving the store. How many times do we hear on here that some idiot claimed that their dog was friendly before it attacked their dog, and posters are up in arms about the stupidity of the attacking (friendly?) dog's owner but when it is a child that is attacked it is the child's fault. Children do silly things. That is their nature. However they should be safe from a dog attack in Bunnings. So what would have happened if the child didn't go in for the pat? Potentially no bite. Don't approach strange dogs or risk a bite! The dog was probably scared but the owner obviously had no idea it would so such a thing surely if they did they would have at least stopped the attempted pat? Do not approach strange dogs, simple Yes dog savvy parents tell their children this, but not all parents know about dogs. Nor should they be expected to know about them. The onus is on dog owners to be educated and they should know about dogs and what they are capable of and not take them to Bunnings. Well perhaps this is a lesson for the parents. The dog had no history of aggression, the owner took it on lead to an area that allowed dogs. Who is in the wrong :laugh: Funny how you wouldn't believe the mother's account but you completely agree with the owner's account. Could the owner be biased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It's funny because you are both making claims that the dog owner did. Dog area TICK Dog on restrained TICK No history of aggression TICK Child went up to unknown dog....mmmmmmm No doubt the owner won't be doing this again and has more idea as to how the dog reacts but you don't go up to strange dogs. Seriously this probably wouldn't have happened if the kid kept on walking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Even taking in to account the idea that children should be taught to ask for permission to pat someone's dog before approaching them, the article also says the other dog was being patted by someone when the girl made moves to pat the dog who bit her. So either the owner had already given permission for someone else to pat her dogs or didn't do anything to stop it when they did. I suspect in that case, that even if the girl had asked first, she likely would have been told it was okay. Obviously I'm speculating but I think it's a reasonable assumption. That the dogs were barking as the owner tried to leave the store suggests they were worked up and I would be surprised if there weren't a lot of clues that they were feeling stressed in that environment, before the bite happened. There were 2 dogs and the other was getting the pat I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 ... The dog was on a lead under control ... obviously the control wasn't appropriate...on leash...off leash...that's not the point...in an aisle that might be just 1.5 m wide a 1.5 m long leash doesn't give you much control! ...No different to this happening on the street. The dog was on lead in area that allowed dogs. big difference! ...here you have all the choices to avoid that your dog(s) get too close to kids, you are even allowed to walk your not so friendly dog (as long as you have control)...Bunnings T&Cs clearly puts the responsibility to the dog owner...by taking the dogs into the premises it could be assumed that they are absolutely people and kid friendly - unfortunately the dog owner misjudged his dogs....that's not the fault of the kids! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yep so possible the owner thought they were friendly and fine in a situation like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Even taking in to account the idea that children should be taught to ask for permission to pat someone's dog before approaching them, the article also says the other dog was being patted by someone when the girl made moves to pat the dog who bit her. So either the owner had already given permission for someone else to pat her dogs or didn't do anything to stop it when they did. I suspect in that case, that even if the girl had asked first, she likely would have been told it was okay. Obviously I'm speculating but I think it's a reasonable assumption. That the dogs were barking as the owner tried to leave the store suggests they were worked up and I would be surprised if there weren't a lot of clues that they were feeling stressed in that environment, before the bite happened. There were 2 dogs and the other was getting the pat I thought Yes, that's what I said. I'm assuming both dogs belonged to the same person? When I have kids wanting to pat my dogs I let them pat Poppy but not Amber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Just because you can take a dog to a place where dogs are allowed does not mean the dog is comfortable at that particular place. I would imagine some dogs would not feel relaxed being taken into a strange building crowded with strange people and smells particularly if they can't see an exit way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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