Willem Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) ...just read that this afoxolaner drug wasn't actually developed by Nexgard respectively Merial (Merial is the company that produces also Frontline and Heartguard), but by Du Pont De Nemours. They - Merial - must have bought the rights and have now the patent. Merial was formed as a JV from Sanofi (Sanofi-Adventis) and Merck, and Merck is also the manufacturer of Bravecto...looks like they have it all covered, not much competition left...maybe I should invest some $$ in Merck shares...(seeing that everyone is happy with their pricing :D ) Edited November 5, 2015 by Willem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canisbellum Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The price is the price it's your choice to buy it or another product. Good or bad it's the free market system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Denali are you sure that dog Revolution is safe for cats? My understanding was that the dog version had different ingredients to the cat version. ETA Never mind I just googled and saw same ingredient, different strength. I wonder why then the dog version doesn't cover as many parasites as the cat version? Edited November 5, 2015 by *kirty* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The price is the price it's your choice to buy it or another product. Good or bad it's the free market system. Exactly. Everyone complains about the cost of everything but it would be no use if the price of everything was controlled. People run businesses for profit not as charities or our society wouldn't work at all. Its up to the consumer to shop around for the best price & decide do they really need this item or not. There are cheaper alternatives of controlling fleas & worms & making the decision of how much chemical product does my dog need, which can be based on environment & lifestyle. Basically if you want a product you have to pay the asking price for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denali Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Denali are you sure that dog Revolution is safe for cats? My understanding was that the dog version had different ingredients to the cat version. ETA Never mind I just googled and saw same ingredient, different strength. I wonder why then the dog version doesn't cover as many parasites as the cat version? Nope, exactly the same thing! Other spot ons do differ though. Revolution is the only one with the exact same composition i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsmum Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Denali are you sure that dog Revolution is safe for cats? My understanding was that the dog version had different ingredients to the cat version. ETA Never mind I just googled and saw same ingredient, different strength. I wonder why then the dog version doesn't cover as many parasites as the cat version? Nope, exactly the same thing! Other spot ons do differ though. Revolution is the only one with the exact same composition i believe. Frontline / fipronil is the same drug different volumes for different sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Drug prices are mostly set by the drug company's calculation of what people are willing to pay. The most spectacular example of this is Ivermectin and pyrantel paomate . . . the two active ingredients in HeartGuard Plus. If I buy Ivermectin for cattle, a dose sufficient for a dog costs under 50 cents. Pyrantel is equally inexpensive when you buy the large bottle as sold for treating human babies for pinworm. For most pet meds, the active ingredient costs far less than the marketing and packaging. So it makes sense that price has little relationship to the quantity of meds. As for research costs . . . most pet meds were developed for human or livestock applications. The main research costs are a set of trials to establish safety and effectiveness, and some marketing research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 ....Everyone complains about the cost of everything but it would be no use if the price of everything was controlled. People run businesses for profit not as charities or our society wouldn't work at all. ...'profit' yes, but not without complying with the laws....that's why price rigging / price manipulation is illegal also for our society... There are cheaper alternatives of controlling fleas & worms & making the decision of how much chemical product does my dog need, which can be based on environment & lifestyle. FYI: this is about drugs that work reliable against 'paralytic ticks' - and it seems that Merck & Co. achieved nearly a monopoly in this sector (Bayer / Advantix is the only competitive drug left on the market? ...TBC)...and monopolies are absolutely against the interests of every society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Drug prices are mostly set by the drug company's calculation of what people are willing to pay. The most spectacular example of this is Ivermectin and pyrantel paomate . . . the two active ingredients in HeartGuard Plus. If I buy Ivermectin for cattle, a dose sufficient for a dog costs under 50 cents. Pyrantel is equally inexpensive when you buy the large bottle as sold for treating human babies for pinworm. For most pet meds, the active ingredient costs far less than the marketing and packaging. So it makes sense that price has little relationship to the quantity of meds. As for research costs . . . most pet meds were developed for human or livestock applications. The main research costs are a set of trials to establish safety and effectiveness, and some marketing research. yep!!!...(hey sandgruber, looks like we have more in common than our dislike of anti-social media :D ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Denali are you sure that dog Revolution is safe for cats? My understanding was that the dog version had different ingredients to the cat version. ETA Never mind I just googled and saw same ingredient, different strength. I wonder why then the dog version doesn't cover as many parasites as the cat version? Nope, exactly the same thing! Other spot ons do differ though. Revolution is the only one with the exact same composition i believe. Frontline / fipronil is the same drug different volumes for different sizes. So is Advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denali Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Denali are you sure that dog Revolution is safe for cats? My understanding was that the dog version had different ingredients to the cat version. ETA Never mind I just googled and saw same ingredient, different strength. I wonder why then the dog version doesn't cover as many parasites as the cat version? Nope, exactly the same thing! Other spot ons do differ though. Revolution is the only one with the exact same composition i believe. Frontline / fipronil is the same drug different volumes for different sizes. So is Advantage. Well there you go. Quite a few. I forgot about frontline, but did know that one. Had not looked into advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Do you know why the dog revolution doesn't cover as many parasites as the cat one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Do you know why the dog revolution doesn't cover as many parasites as the cat one? ...selamectin (ingredient in Revolution) treats roundworms and hookworms in cats, but not in dogs...I assume the reason for this is somehow linked to the different digestion systems? ...selamectin is also only effective against brown ticks and some other ticks, but not against paralytic ticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Was checking up on economics of the pet meds industry. Some may find this article interesting http://www.indystar.com/story/news/investigations/2014/12/18/drug-companies-loosen-purse-strings-to-woo-vets/20492301/ A clip from the first few paragraphs of the article For five days, the action never stopped at the McCormick Place convention center, as more than 9,000 veterinarians and technicians flocked to see the latest medicines and attend clinical workshops organized by the American Veterinary Medical Association. Around the show floor, the world's biggest drugmakers had set up exhibits two stories tall, with enough flashing lights and giant twirling logos to resemble a Detroit car show. The vets, the nation's last line of defense against unsafe drugs getting to animals, were receiving a blizzard of meals, books, electronic gadgets and speaking fees from drugmakers. The convention revealed just one of the many ways corporate money influences pet health care — from research to treatment to sales — threatening the objectivity of those prescribing drugs to your dog or cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think that is really discrediting the vets. The vast majority of vets want to help you and your pet. They are not in cahoots with big pharma companies. If anyone cared to do a bit more research you would find that there really isn't much money in veterinary industry. Practice owners and specialists certainly earn more, but GP vets aren't rolling in cash. New grad vets starting wage is $40-50,000. They also have tens of thousands of student debt. They will never earn the money people think they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Isn't that all just a very US thing? Seems to happen with Drs and human drugs too. Or at least that is what is shown on US medical shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denali Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I think that is really discrediting the vets. The vast majority of vets want to help you and your pet. They are not in cahoots with big pharma companies. If anyone cared to do a bit more research you would find that there really isn't much money in veterinary industry. Practice owners and specialists certainly earn more, but GP vets aren't rolling in cash. New grad vets starting wage is $40-50,000. They also have tens of thousands of student debt. They will never earn the money people think they do. Agree with this. They have the same degree cost as human doctors, with a starting salary of 50% less.. And it doesn't increase as much as human doctors either. None of the vets i know are in cahoots with big pharma, but maybe some are And despite all thiis, i am still studying to be one :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trifecta Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Topical report on ABC 7.30 in NSW tonight: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4350957.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbaudry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Snap Trifecta! Was about to post the link... Whilst I have the utmost respect for the profession, I agree there should be a higher level of disclosure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trifecta Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Snap Trifecta! Was about to post the link... Whilst I have the utmost respect for the profession, I agree there should be a higher level of disclosure... Yes, it was enlightening, but I was disappointed the lady shown at the end feeding raw had two seriously overweight dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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