gustymoose Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Hi :) I'm trying to find out if the Euro Dog Sport Club in Adelaide is still operating? Can anyone help? Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconRange Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Are you meaning the Adelaide Sportdog Club who do schutzhund etc.? Yep, they're still running. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustymoose Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Nope not them :) I heard there was another club that did nvbk training. Found a little listed online but the trail went cold at about 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 http://www.workingdutchies.com/ Call Chris Jones and see what they're doing he has Dutch Shepherds FalconRange Belgian Ring is very different to Schutzhund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Nekhbet What do you think of their dogs? (sorry off topic!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustymoose Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 http://www.workingdutchies.com/ Call Chris Jones and see what they're doing he has Dutch Shepherds FalconRange Belgian Ring is very different to Schutzhund. Awesome! Thanks so much for the tip :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amax-1 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Nekhbet What do you think of their dogs? (sorry off topic!) Dutch KNPV bred dogs are crossbreeds consisting mostly of Dutch Shepherd, Malinois, GSD and sometimes guardian breeds used on outcrosses then bred back into herding breeds, so the Chris Jones Dutch Shepherds can't be ANKC registered. Pure bred Dutch Shepherds generally have more drive than a working line GSD but less than a Malinois. Often breeders of cross breed Dutch Shepherds sell them as Malinois when the pups are fawn with black muzzle and the coloured one's in the litter sold as Dutch Shepherds and are usually bigger dogs than pure breed Malinois standards. Some are great working dogs if you don't need typical kennel club registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal1 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 FCI (registered) dogs are often trained in KNPV, if you'd like to see information on the dogs used just google Bloedlijnen.nl. Site is only in Dutch language but just click on the Dekreuen tab for a list of stud dogs and their pedigrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyspazz Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Nekhbet What do you think of their dogs? (sorry off topic!) Dutch KNPV bred dogs are crossbreeds consisting mostly of Dutch Shepherd, Malinois, GSD and sometimes guardian breeds used on outcrosses then bred back into herding breeds, so the Chris Jones Dutch Shepherds can't be ANKC registered. Pure bred Dutch Shepherds generally have more drive than a working line GSD but less than a Malinois. Often breeders of cross breed Dutch Shepherds sell them as Malinois when the pups are fawn with black muzzle and the coloured one's in the litter sold as Dutch Shepherds and are usually bigger dogs than pure breed Malinois standards. Some are great working dogs if you don't need typical kennel club registration. They can be ANKC registered... http://ankc.org.au/Breed/Detail/86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Nekhbet What do you think of their dogs? (sorry off topic!) Dutch KNPV bred dogs are crossbreeds consisting mostly of Dutch Shepherd, Malinois, GSD and sometimes guardian breeds used on outcrosses then bred back into herding breeds, so the Chris Jones Dutch Shepherds can't be ANKC registered. Pure bred Dutch Shepherds generally have more drive than a working line GSD but less than a Malinois. Often breeders of cross breed Dutch Shepherds sell them as Malinois when the pups are fawn with black muzzle and the coloured one's in the litter sold as Dutch Shepherds and are usually bigger dogs than pure breed Malinois standards. Some are great working dogs if you don't need typical kennel club registration. They can be ANKC registered... http://ankc.org.au/Breed/Detail/86 Only if they have the right registration. KNPV dogs are not FCI/kennel club registered and so would not be able to be registered with ANKC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amax-1 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Only if they have the right registration. KNPV dogs are not FCI/kennel club registered and so would not be able to be registered with ANKC Pure breed Dutch Shepherds can be ANKC registered if their paperwork is ANKC compliant and a lot of dogs competing in KNPV sport are FCI registered dogs, but the Dutch crossbreeds are they typically call KNPV bred Malinois and Dutch Shepherds are not. The two FCI Dutch Shepherds I have come across were chronic yappy barkers in their back yards, not sure if it's a breed characteristic, but the neighbours I doubt would enjoy this pair much in suburbia? Edited September 4, 2015 by Amax-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 NekhbetWhat do you think of their dogs? I have not had a lot to do with dutchies to be honest, I was thinking about one but I do not see one I like so far so I'm sticking to my Malinois. If you're after an IPO dog I think delving into the non FCI gene pool is not a good idea considering their primary aim is not sport, but to do the KNPV then on to deployment. It's a lot more comprehensive then IPO could be as it's about the end product not the breed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZATNWf5emk Kampftrieb do not produce ANKC dogs but they do not profess to. Frankly the importance of it is a little redundant and limiting yourself just to the ANKC registered gene pool here in Australia is genetic suicide for the Malinois as it's full of the same few dogs. It's why my pockets will be lighter soon... The KNPV has nothing to do with the FCI. A dog can do KNPV with our without FCI registration, it's a title. I have ANKC registered Malinois and all the dogs behind them are KNPV titled because I won't use IPO titled dogs, chalk and cheese for what I want - it's akin to mixing a WL GSD with a straight show line as far as I am concerned. AMAX-1 is right, in a lot of european countries function rules - if it's brindle it's a dutchie, if it's not it's a Malinois - because performance and the ability to pass on those key genes is important for maintaining a strong pool of working dogs. It's where the rumours of KNPV malinois being 'dodgy' and 'not real' came from here in Australia, a few people didn't realise what the situation was and a few others exploited it. The 'black Malinois' thing too shits me. Call a spade a spade, it is from the mixed gene pool, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Thanks Nekhbet :) I have only met one Dutchie, and wasn't sure if it was typical of the breed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I suppose you have to train the dogs not to go for that gap between the bite suit and the shoe - ie the bit that cattle dogs traditionally go for :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Kavik Blaze's sire has his KNPV title. They can still be pedigree dogs (and ANKC registerable as we did with the semen we imported), it's just a title. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Good to know that huski! I saw that the dog you guys were using was KNVP titled :) I thought that many dogs used for KNVP were not pedigree dogs, and not ANKC registrable. Good to know that some are :) They are all probably too big for what I am looking for, but I still like the Mals and Dutchies :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) I suppose you have to train the dogs not to go for that gap between the bite suit and the shoe - ie the bit that cattle dogs traditionally go for Bites to a suit especially in KNPV have specific target area for the safety of the dog and for operational viability. An ankle bite is totally useless and risks the decoy falling on the dog crushing it. There is also 'better' angles in order for the dog to achieve full grip and maintain it with clear airways. Edited September 9, 2015 by Nekhbet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I have seen some Groenendael females competing in agility that were about the same size as Kaos (he is 57cm and around 18/19 kg) but the working Malinois I have looked at were all much bigger than that, and going by websites the Dutchies too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 You need a decent body size in order to perform their working purpose. My bitches are 25-30kg my male at the moment is 35kg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) yeah way too big for what I want :) Wonder why there is such a big difference then with Grenendaels? It isn't just one, I think I have seen at least 4 bitches that are around that size. And that is just at agility competitions in Sydney. Edited September 9, 2015 by Kavik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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