_PL_ Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'm sure everyone has done a bit of Sunday arvo googling about dog breeds Skye, Lakeland and Kerry you know... the 'one day' dream dogs. Anyway, I ended up on wiki, then on the Kennel Club site.... There here; http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/getting-a-dog-or-puppy/finding-the-right-dog/vulnerable-native-breeds/ Is this right? That so many are just hanging on? Or is it that other registries are being used instead? It's probably the same in other countries too and not a shock to some but seeing dogs fade away in their homeland is sad I had absolutely no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliecat Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Wow, I also had no idea. I was surprised to see corgis and mini bull terriers on the list, actually most of the breeds came as a bit of a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Yep it's true for the Manchester, good to see numbers have almost doubled in the UK since 2010. The Manchester was very close to extinction. Some websites report that the numbers got down to just 11 registered in the UK. It is surprising to see some on that list that you wouldn't really consider 'rare' though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph M Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 One day I want another English Setter, ONE DAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) By coincidence, I was just reading the history of Mary Queen of Scots. She was imprisoned & then beheaded by Queen Elizabeth 1, in 1587. As the executioner held up her severed head, all witnesses were silent. Then 'one of Mary's favourite pets, a Skye Terrier, emerged from under her skirts where he'd ]been hiding 'and howled piteously, and would not leave the body of his mistress', Her ladies gathered him up & rushed him away to wash the blood off. He fretted so much he wouldn't eat & died soon after. The little Skye Terrier was the only voice raised in great sorrow at the execution of the Queen of Scots. He made his breed part of history. Edited May 25, 2015 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I had no idea bullys came in minature till i came here anyway, don't really see the point of them really. The standard size isn't on the list. I am back next month and a friend breeds and shows borders, so will ask her about them diminishing. It needs to be compared to what has grown alot in those years, to see what breeds people are favouring instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Stupid question but if they are "man made breeds" (as most purebred dogs are), then surely they could just be recreated in future if people wanted them (of course it will take a few generations, but they aren't really ever going to be extinct, as they were developed from a few base breeds in the first place?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Stupid question but if they are "man made breeds" (as most purebred dogs are), then surely they could just be recreated in future if people wanted them (of course it will take a few generations, but they aren't really ever going to be extinct, as they were developed from a few base breeds in the first place?). Oh if it was only that easy we would just be able to pluck a breed off the shelf and mate them and make or remake the required breed. Not to mention that many of the breeds originally used to produce the now vulnerable breeds are themselves now extinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Stupid question but if they are "man made breeds" (as most purebred dogs are), then surely they could just be recreated in future if people wanted them (of course it will take a few generations, but they aren't really ever going to be extinct, as they were developed from a few base breeds in the first place?). Oh if it was only that easy we would just be able to pluck a breed off the shelf and mate them and make or remake the required breed. Not to mention that many of the breeds originally used to produce the now vulnerable breeds are themselves now extinct. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 By coincidence, I was just reading the history of Mary Queen of Scots. She was imprisoned & then beheaded by Queen Elizabeth 1, in 1587. As the executioner held up her severed head, all witnesses were silent. Then 'one of Mary's favourite pets, a Skye Terrier, emerged from under her skirts where he'd ]been hiding 'and howled piteously, and would not leave the body of his mistress', Her ladies gathered him up & rushed him away to wash the blood off. He fretted so much he wouldn't eat & died soon after. The little Skye Terrier was the only voice raised in great sorrow at the execution of the Queen of Scots. He made his breed part of history. Oh that's sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poocow Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Fields have always been on the rare list - quite a small gene pool that all goes back to 2 dogs and 2 bitches that "rescued" the breed from extinction in the 1960s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverStar-Aura Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'm not at all surprised by some of the breeds on that list: Norwich, Skye, Glen of Imaal Terriers. Norwich Terriers have very small litters and struggle against their more popular relation the Norfolk Terrier (which have drop ears). Not sure why because I find the prick ears of the Norwich far cuter!! Skye Terriers I've always dreamed of owning ever since first reading about them in my favourite book of all time, Black Beauty. Again, they're not so popular but I think they're gorgeous little dogs. Glen of Imaal Terriers I'd never even heard of until reading through the breeds list on DOL. I think there are only 2 in Australia and I can't imagine there being many more in the UK.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'm not at all surprised by some of the breeds on that list: Norwich, Skye, Gle Skye Terriers I've always dreamed of owning ever since first reading about them in my favourite book of all time, Black Beauty. Again, they're not so popular but I think they're gorgeous little dogs. Glen of Imaal Terriers I'd never even heard of until reading through the breeds list on DOL. I think there are only 2 in Australia and I can't imagine there being many more in the UK.. Skyes are a LOT of terrier. They have teeth that would do justice to a German Shepherd and they may not start a fight but they'll finish it, ice it and put the little sprinkles on it. The size of the opposition won't slow them down at all. Probably not ideal as an urban dweller for a lot of owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) . Edited May 25, 2015 by GrufLife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share Posted May 25, 2015 yes there's breeds on there that you'd think would be safe, the corgis were a surprise. Does collection of frozen semen help keep breeds alive? Can they harvest eggs? <---- very sorry, I think the answer is going to be no but I had to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mim Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Corgis aren't at risk. Plenty of Pembrokes being bred around the world and Cardigans seem to be gaining popularity steadily. This information came about a while ago and Corgi breeders explained that it is not the case when you consider numbers in other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 If we breed with closed registers wont all breeds eventually be at risk of dying out due to an ever diminishing gene pool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah82 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I told the OH about this list last night and he may have suggested we get into breeding field spaniels one day :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poocow Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 yes there's breeds on there that you'd think would be safe, the corgis were a surprise. Does collection of frozen semen help keep breeds alive? Can they harvest eggs? <---- very sorry, I think the answer is going to be no but I had to ask. Yes frozen semen is good, especially as techniques develop in collection and storage methods. I plan on having my boy collected to use in future generations and to ship overseas if requested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfSightHound Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) How small is too SmallHere is a link as to why that list should be even longer. I think we need to drastically change the way we breed dogs as closed stud books go against everything conservation biology and population genetics has to say about effective founding populations and population size. Just breeding more dogs doesn't help if the number of founders of the breed is extremely small. The rule was 50/500, but thats recently been reviewed to 500/5000 This means to have a viable population you need 500 unrelated founders and a population that doesn't sink below 5000. It also means that each member has to breed randomly and equally. something that doesn't happen in dog breeding within KC's. Here is a analysis done on the Afghan hound breed. Its not a peachy outlook for a breed less than 100 years old (and I mean as a KC breed not as a Landrace population). Its effective founding population size is 8 just 4 about tollers and way below the old 50 and the new 500 rule. Afghan Hound population analysis Edited May 25, 2015 by OutOfSightHound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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