Shakti Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 So Huski - do you carry your pup everywhere or use your best judgement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakti Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 So Huski - do you carry your pup everywhere or use your best judgement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 (edited) So Huski - do you carry your pup everywhere or use your best judgement? I use my judgement. We let pups walk on a harness and leash and I train mine in many different places. ETA: here's an example of my pup at 10 weeks out at a local shopping centre. Edited May 17, 2015 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I did the same with my now nearly 5 month old BC baby. She was vaccinated before she came, then at 10.5 weeks and then again at 16 weeks. However she was out and about from the day she arrived. Initially more safe locations - friends houses with fully vaccinated dogs, she went sheep herding on a private property at just over 10 weeks, we started out with some very secluded beaches where there were no other dogs but she was out and about and on the ground from the day she arrived at 8 weeks. I was obviously more careful until she was 10 weeks (then the 2 weeks after that) but from that time she was allowed to walk whenever we were out. I avoided areas which might be considered higher risk parvo areas and did check with the vets about reported cases around the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Axels 6 week vacc was c3 so was todays c3 and his 16 week old 1 will also be a c3. I wander if I demended the c5 to be done if they would have done it? I'm sure they would have done C5 if you'd asked (and paid) for it but it isn't that it's C5 vs C3 that makes it only 2 vs 3 vaccinations. C5 just covers a couple of additional illnesses. I actually don't know what the difference between the 2 and 3 vacs protocols is (is it different ingredients in the different products?), can anyone explain it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakti Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 Huski - just checked out your online vids - absolutely amazing work! Would love to see some more please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumtoshelley Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Axels 6 week vacc was c3 so was todays c3 and his 16 week old 1 will also be a c3. I wander if I demended the c5 to be done if they would have done it? I'm sure they would have done C5 if you'd asked (and paid) for it but it isn't that it's C5 vs C3 that makes it only 2 vs 3 vaccinations. C5 just covers a couple of additional illnesses. I actually don't know what the difference between the 2 and 3 vacs protocols is (is it different ingredients in the different products?), can anyone explain it? I too would love to know the answer to the ouestion you asked. If I knew Axel wouldn't get parvo I would happy take him out for walks, I would love to introduce him to the river asap for swimming. This area a fair few dogs have gotten parvo which is why I'm hesitate in taking him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaCharlie Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I actually don't know what the difference between the 2 and 3 vacs protocols is (is it different ingredients in the different products?), can anyone explain it? Jumabaar already did :) In a nutshell, puppies receive immunity from their mother. For some this wears off as early as 6-8 weeks but for others it isn't until 16 weeks. If the maternal antibodies are still present then the vaccination won't take. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing when the right time to vaccinate is. You could strike it lucky with a 10 week vaccination and have your pup fully covered and not needing any more. Or your 10 week old pup could still have maternal antibodies present, making that vaccination useless and leaving them at risk until they receive their 16 week shot. The idea behind the 3 vaccinations is to try to minimise the time between maternal antibodies wearing off and the next vaccination. By only having 4 weeks between shots you reduce the window of risk. I think for most pups the maternal antibodies wearing off between 9-11 weeks and I consider this the biggest danger period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 But then why is the Nobivac 6-8 and 10-12 weeks without a third dose a legitimate protocol? Are puppies that get that getting the same thing as puppies who get the 8, 12 and 16 week course, just not been given the last one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaCharlie Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 The nobivac one is supposedly potent enough to knock out the maternal antibodies too (which sounds like a risk in itself to put that much into such a small being). Only experience I have had with the nobivac is one of our puppy buyers used it at 10 weeks, did a titre test at 12 weeks and the puppy had zero immunity. It had knocked out the maternal antibodies (or they had worn out themselves) but hadn't taken itself so puppy was very vulnerable at that time. Had to end up using a regular protech c3 on the pup anyway (which was tested to ensure the pup did respond, which she did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Huski - just checked out your online vids - absolutely amazing work! Would love to see some more please? Thanks Shakti! I'll PM you some more :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 IMHO as others have said, it's a balancing risk act. We have puppies start our club puppy classes after their second shot .. explaining that they are taking s small chance .. but this is in an area where parvo is less rife than in some other places. Personally, provided that there is no major parvo outbreak in a locality, I get mine as pups out and about as much as possible .. seeing and hearing sights, meeting people etc. - not so much meeting dogs .. that's confined to known vaccinated dogs, and usually in safe areas. Getting them used to the world they're going to be living in while they are at their most receptive is in the dog and owner's long term best interests. A really key thing, I think, is that as a puppy owner, I would take any serious diarrhoea episode really seriously, and get pup to vet sooner rather than later, regardless of pup's vac status or where it has been. Theoretically people could bring disease into your own yard or house on shoes etc. if they've been in an infected area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 huski Very impressive focus with such a young pup! My young Kelpie still has the attention span of a gnat, so easily distracted :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 huski Very impressive focus with such a young pup! My young Kelpie still has the attention span of a gnat, so easily distracted :laugh: Thanks Kavik! My main goal by the time she is six months old is to have a pup that could switch into drive and give me great focus and engagement in any location, under any distraction. She's 4 months old in a week and we have that pretty nailed already, so I am really delighted with her progress! I am actually teaching her more 'things' now than I thought I might (like heel work, fronts, positions etc) as she needs more to do. Training pups is the best fun ever :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agility Dogs Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I agree with everyone else. Balancing act. My last two dogs have been out and about from the day they came - avoiding high traffic/risk areas like dog parks and parks in general, but going to agility trials, beaches (where the nasties get washed away) etc etc. I take the view that my other dogs are out and about and will bring stuff home anyway so the puppies may as well join us since I'm not going to quarantine the older guys. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdf Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Parvo is crazy near me lately, well always but it's pretty bad right now. And we had a distemper outbreak locally last month too. Because I know how common it is here I'm extremely cautious with puppies. Socialisation is really important to me but I'm very careful with where we go and who we socialise with (friends say paranoid but I prefer careful :laugh: ). Ask local vets, they should be able to tell you what is going on in your local area. Edited May 28, 2015 by kdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agility Dogs Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Parvo is crazy near me lately, well always but it's pretty bad right now. And we had a distemper outbreak locally last month too. Because I know how common it is here I'm extremely cautious with puppies. Socialisation is really important to me but I'm very careful with where we go and who we socialise with (friends say paranoid but I prefer careful :laugh: ). Ask local vets, they should be able to tell you what is going on in your local area. I still reckon this is a balanced view. ;) On balance the risk is greater than the risk of under socialisation and you are taking precautions. :D To me balanced doesn't mean go for broke, it means managing risks appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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