Mdba

[Mrs Rusty Bucket]

I wonder how much input Rutland Manor, original breeder of these dogs

This is what the original breeder of these dogs thinks. He's sorry.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/nov/13/inventors-idea-regret

Same Rutland Manor lady involved but I can't remember her name sorry

The 'cobberdog' name gives me the heebies :laugh:

I don't know anything about developing breeds but isn't this the way it is done? Apologies if that's a dim question, not my field of expertise obviously.

I went and looked at the RM website and on the home page she says she did not invent the breed.

She also connects the "labra... dle" and "cobber dog" directly. Ie effectively says they are the same thing.

And she says she's a member of the MDBA.

And it's nothing to do with the guide dogs associations.

Personally I agree with Wally. I've not met one that isn't crazy and difficult to train. Most of the owners seem not that interested in training. And increasingly the ones that show up at my local park - get themselves into trouble with other dogs. Not just mine. They've got no dog to dog manners - I'm guessing because most of the pet shop ones got taken away from their mum and littermates too young to learn.

[Dogsfevr]

As long as we have organizations that encourage random cross breeds to be created they will be & then they can say there part *** & all should be great .

We don't need more breeds created we already have enough to do any job,the sad part now is every tom,dick & harry cross what ever & claim it has a purpose .

[Simply Grand]

Showdog, so which existing breed is it that is specifically bred for the purpose of being an assistance or therapy dog to humans?

How many breeds have been developed when another breed already existed that already did that job anyway? We have Labrador Retrievers, why do we need Golden Retrievers and Flat Coat Retrievers and Curly Coat Retrievers? We have Pointers, why do we need GSPs and Weimweraners and Viszlas? We have English Springer Spaniels, why do we need Cocker Spaniels and Brittanys? We have German Shepherds, why do we need any of the Belgian Shepherds? We have Collies, why do we need Border Collies or Kelpies or Australian Shepherds?

I could go on (and I actually have no idea about the order in which those breeds were developed so could be inaccurate in that) but those saying there is no need for the Cobberdog hopefully see that that isn't a convincing argument (though I doubt it).

[Simply Grand]

I wonder how much input Rutland Manor, original breeder of these dogs

This is what the original breeder of these dogs thinks. He's sorry.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/nov/13/inventors-idea-regret

Same Rutland Manor lady involved but I can't remember her name sorry

The 'cobberdog' name gives me the heebies :laugh:

I don't know anything about developing breeds but isn't this the way it is done? Apologies if that's a dim question, not my field of expertise obviously.

I went and looked at the RM website and on the home page she says she did not invent the breed.

She also connects the "labra... dle" and "cobber dog" directly. Ie effectively says they are the same thing.

And she says she's a member of the MDBA.

And it's nothing to do with the guide dogs associations.

Personally I agree with Wally. I've not met one that isn't crazy and difficult to train. Most of the owners seem not that interested in training. And increasingly the ones that show up at my local park - get themselves into trouble with other dogs. Not just mine. They've got no dog to dog manners - I'm guessing because most of the pet shop ones got taken away from their mum and littermates too young to learn.

Are you talking about Cobberdogs or random poodle/lab crosses?

Saying they are the same thing at this stage is a bit like saying the Staffy bought from the guy down the road is the same thing as a pedigreed purebred SBT.

[Simply Grand]

Please note all - I don't mean any offense to anyone in particular with my posts in this thread, nor do I have any association with the development of the Cobberdog, the MDBA or anything to do with Labradoodles or anything along those lines, I just find arguments based on personal feelings and bias rather than logic difficult to accept.

And I also think that for the longer term welfare of dogs and their owners it is really important to focus on good objective breeding and care practices and genuine health concerns for the animals rather than personal opinions on what we like and don't like. For example, breeding a healthy Standard Poodle to a healthy Labrador is actually not likely to cause any health issues for either the dam or the puppies so if we want to argue that it shouldn't be done and be taken seriously by the wider community we need another factual reason, not just "ANKC recognised purebreds are better".

Edited April 19, 2015 by Simply Grand

[Xyz]

For example, breeding a healthy Standard Poodle to a healthy Labrador is actually not likely to cause any health issues for either the dam or the puppies so if we want to argue that it shouldn't be done and be taken seriously by the wider community we need another factual reason, not just "ANKC recognised purebreds are better".

Actually 'labradoodles' (hate even writing that) have a higher incidence of HD than either of those purebreds.

Edited April 19, 2015 by Xyz

[Simply Grand]

For example, breeding a healthy Standard Poodle to a healthy Labrador is actually not likely to cause any health issues for either the dam or the puppies so if we want to argue that it shouldn't be done and be taken seriously by the wider community we need another factual reason, not just "ANKC recognised purebreds are better".

Actually 'labradoodles' (hate even writing that) have a higher incidence of HD than either of those purebreds.

Is that because those people breeding "Labradoodles" are unlikely to hip score the parents though? I'd be willing to bet it is (happy to be corrected if there is evidence though).

[_PL_]

I wonder how much input Rutland Manor, original breeder of these dogs

This is what the original breeder of these dogs thinks. He's sorry.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/nov/13/inventors-idea-regret

Same Rutland Manor lady involved but I can't remember her name sorry

The 'cobberdog' name gives me the heebies :laugh:

I don't know anything about developing breeds but isn't this the way it is done? Apologies if that's a dim question, not my field of expertise obviously.

I went and looked at the RM website and on the home page she says she did not invent the breed.

She also connects the "labra... dle" and "cobber dog" directly. Ie effectively says they are the same thing.

And she says she's a member of the MDBA.

And it's nothing to do with the guide dogs associations.

Personally I agree with Wally. I've not met one that isn't crazy and difficult to train. Most of the owners seem not that interested in training. And increasingly the ones that show up at my local park - get themselves into trouble with other dogs. Not just mine. They've got no dog to dog manners - I'm guessing because most of the pet shop ones got taken away from their mum and littermates too young to learn.

Sorry I meant in reference to this bit: "I wonder how much input Rutland Manor, original breeder of these dogs"

Answer being: lots.

Which rightly or wrongly for the people that know, will always taint the name of the labra & oodle and whatever else it is rebranded as.

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Then you have the buyers, and after acquaintances purchased a designer pup (that I won't identify) w/ all it's papers exactly like reg breeders, + parent testing records, desexed chipped vacc health check, 12 weeks fully socialised, lifetime return, lifetime support, play days with other owners etc etc. Literally the full package. ..... How do I poke holes in that just because the dog is not ankc or rescue??

To them, that is a pedigree dog from an ethical breeder. And it's grown into a sound dog. Not the temperament I like but perfect for them.

Edited April 20, 2015 by Powerlegs