sammaj Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Hello everyone, i am hoping someone here in australia can help me by directing me to a breeder that has Fox red labradors. they are a darker version of a golden labrador and are very common in the U.S, Canada and even now in Britain, but am having problems getting onto someone her in australia. I have a hotmail mail address too if this helps. it is [email protected] Thank you regards Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) About fifteen years ago I visited a kennel around the Plainlands area in QLD and saw with my own eyes, several Fox Red Labradors. They were magnificent dogs. I believe they had been imported via the UK. The beautiful colour threw my at first and I had to look at them for a moment until the penny dropped what I was seeing! Someone here may remember the kennel name. ETA.... a quick search of 'boarding kennels Plainlands QLD' and i found this link CLICK HERE If you open the link, and then click on the link for pictures, that is definitely the property I visited. I cannot tell how old the advertisement is, but that is the best lead I have. Edited February 28, 2015 by GrufLife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammaj Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 Thanks for your feedback and yes i too hope someone reads this and can guide me. Thanks again sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammaj Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 I took a look and nothing there. thank you again for your help Regards sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Previous discussion here: http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/261439-fox-red-labrador/page__fromsearch__1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammaj Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 Thank you for the previous forum to look at. they mention the fox red and or dark golden are about, but no contacts to get in touch with. i'll just keep looking here and hopefully somebody out there in australia may know of someone Regards sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Thank you for the previous forum to look at. they mention the fox red and or dark golden are about, but no contacts to get in touch with. i'll just keep looking here and hopefully somebody out there in australia may know of someone Regards sam I guess my point in the other thread was that the darker colours do pop up occasionally in imported field-bred dogs but you will not find any of the decent breeders breeding for colour. A good dog is never a bad colour - I do know of a darker dog in Vic that is very successful in the field and has been used at stud but I imagine the chances of getting a darker pup from him would be pretty slim. A lot of the local dogs are black for a start and pups will go to homes that are more interested in working ability, hip and eye scores rather than colour. They are a lot of dog and not for the faint hearted either. Edited February 28, 2015 by The Spotted Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammaj Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 i appreciate your input. i had a fox red in the usa and would like another. ultimately it is about there nature that i am attracted to with labs and if i can get a lab in fox red or even a dark golden, then that would be ideal. thank you once again sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Thank you for the previous forum to look at. they mention the fox red and or dark golden are about, but no contacts to get in touch with. i'll just keep looking here and hopefully somebody out there in australia may know of someone Regards sam I guess my point in the other thread was that the darker colours do pop up occasionally in imported field-bred dogs but you will not find any of the decent breeders breeding for colour. A good dog is never a bad colour - I do know of a darker dog in Vic that is very successful in the field and has been used at stud but I imagine the chances of getting a darker pup from him would be pretty slim. A lot of the local dogs are black for a start and pups will go to homes that are more interested in working ability, hip and eye scores rather than colour. They are a lot of dog and not for the faint hearted either. I know nothing about red fox labs, had never heard the term before reading this thread but I have to agree with TSD in saying no decent breeder breeds for colour. I would liken breeding to get red fox labs a bit like breeding for blue staffys. Are we going to see this repeated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 A breeder in Vic imported a red lab a few years back, I'm not sure who it was sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammaj Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 thank you for that. i'll try to find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I know nothing about red fox labs, had never heard the term before reading this thread but I have to agree with TSD in saying no decent breeder breeds for colour. I would liken breeding to get red fox labs a bit like breeding for blue staffys. Are we going to see this repeated? If this is true, why are there so many yellow Labs (with the shade of yellow seeming to get ever lighter)? A century ago almost all Labs were black. Black is dominant. Without breeding for color this would never have happened. Look at how strongly goldens are moving to cream. In WA I remember shows where dozens of goldies were entered . . . not a single one dark. Look at the rapid increase in number and quality of chocolate Labs in Australia. Ten years ago chocos were a rarity and seldom did well in the ring. After a lot of importing of top lines, this has changed greatly. Yes, many breeders breed for color to get a premium price, and some (many?) do it indiscriminately. But others bend over backwards, importing new lines and doing a lot of AI, to develop excellent lines carrying uncommon colors. That said, I wouldn't look for a red fox Lab in Oz. There are probably a few around, but you're narrowing your options so much it isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 sammaj, the Royal Easter Show is on in sydney soon. Labradors are apparently showing on Sunday March 29. Maybe you could go and ask some of the exhibitors there whether they know of any breeders who may breed the Fox Red? T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammaj Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 thank you so much for that info and sorry for delay in replying. had to work. regards sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazhak Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 have you tried doing a google search for Fox Red Labradore + australia I did that & came up with a few dog studs based in aus & web pages which mention the term.. for those that talk about do or do not breed for colour, there is scientific research which shows that just breeding for temperament will actually change/modify/control the colour of a chosen breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 have you tried doing a google search for Fox Red Labradore + australia I did that & came up with a few dog studs based in aus & web pages which mention the term.. for those that talk about do or do not breed for colour, there is scientific research which shows that just breeding for temperament will actually change/modify/control the colour of a chosen breed. For sure - but that doesn't mean selecting for "Red Fox" will get you the dog you want in terms of temperament and health. It may also limit your gene pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph M Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I would be very wary of anyone who selects predominately for colour, of course this is a factor but where it is the highest priority factor I would run a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazhak Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 have you tried doing a google search for Fox Red Labradore + australia I did that & came up with a few dog studs based in aus & web pages which mention the term.. for those that talk about do or do not breed for colour, there is scientific research which shows that just breeding for temperament will actually change/modify/control the colour of a chosen breed. For sure - but that doesn't mean selecting for "Red Fox" will get you the dog you want in terms of temperament and health. It may also limit your gene pool. I didn't say that breeding for colour would change the temperament, just that breeding for temperament also has a factor on coat, nor that breeding for temperament would get you the chosen colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Yep. I was just clarifying that for the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) I would be very wary of anyone who selects predominately for colour, of course this is a factor but where it is the highest priority factor I would run a mile. It is possible to do a good job of breeding for color, but it either takes decades of work looking for chance appearances of the desired color in quality dogs, or tens of thousands of dollars importing quality genetic material (AI is cheaper than importing studs, but takes longer). It's VERY easy to tell whether a breeder is doing a good job . . . or indiscriminately breeding for color. Just ask them about temperament and health of sire/grandsire and grand-dam, etc. If they can't answer, there's a problem. I like red fox Labs. When I lived in Oz and was breeding Labs, I briefly considered going for red and concluded it was beyond my means and lifespan to make it work. Could be done. Would take 20 or 30 years . . . and perhaps $50k. Edited March 2, 2015 by sandgrubber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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