Litter Of Puppies At The Beach

[HazyWal]

The beach would be a great place to socialise. The sand gets a clean every day when the tide comes in. The benefits of socialisation outweigh the risks anyway.

My vet would whole heartedly disagree with you - we had this discussion, among others, regarding what's an appropriate level of risk vs the advantages of socialising last year when we got our latest pup. The beach was high on her list of places not to take puppies not fully covered by vaccination when I wanted to get my pup out and about. Her advice was that there are plenty of places to socialise puppies where the advantages don't present an unacceptable level of risk to puppy's health.

The tide doesn't come all the way up the sand cleaning the whole beach in every beach.

I'm not having a go at you; just addressing your POV in comparison to what my vet recommended.

I don't really care what your vet thinks. Myself, I would not take a litter of pups I bred to the beach but I can understand the benefits of getting them out and about early. What right do we have to tell them they are right or wrong? Just because your vet said so?

Why so angry?

[suziwong66]

The beach would be a great place to socialise. The sand gets a clean every day when the tide comes in. The benefits of socialisation outweigh the risks anyway.

My vet would whole heartedly disagree with you - we had this discussion, among others, regarding what's an appropriate level of risk vs the advantages of socialising last year when we got our latest pup. The beach was high on her list of places not to take puppies not fully covered by vaccination when I wanted to get my pup out and about. Her advice was that there are plenty of places to socialise puppies where the advantages don't present an unacceptable level of risk to puppy's health.

The tide doesn't come all the way up the sand cleaning the whole beach in every beach.

I'm not having a go at you; just addressing your POV in comparison to what my vet recommended.

I don't really care what your vet thinks. Myself, I would not take a litter of pups I bred to the beach but I can understand the benefits of getting them out and about early. What right do we have to tell them they are right or wrong? Just because your vet said so?

I'm not sure what your reply is about so i'll try and address it in sections.

"I don't really care what your vet thinks." - The OP started a thread for discussion; that's what we're doing...discussing and offering differing POV's. Maybe you don't care about a learned opinion such as a vet and that's totally okay, but in a forum platform it's totally appropriate to discuss what a knowledgeable professional has had to say regarding risk statistics and healthy practice.

"Myself, I would not take a litter of pups I bred to the beach but I can understand the benefits of getting them out and about early" - I agree with you; i too wouldn't take a litter of pups to the beach - my rationale comes from the advice from my vet who has a learned opinion and discussed the world statistics regarding different vaccines and schedules with risk factors, so i would and did take her advice and didn't socialise my latest pup at the beach. I got pup out and about in less risky areas. I don't know what your rationale is for avoiding the beach but you have previously put forth that it's not because of the risk factor; your POV is welcomed in forums as is others addressing differing POV's.

"What right do we have to tell them they are right or wrong? Just because your vet said so?" - I'm not sure what you're trying to say here in terms of what right do i/we have in telling them (the dog owners in the OP's post) they are right or wrong: is it that i can't have an opinion or posit a POV that has influenced my practice and comes from my vet whom i regard as a knowledgeable professional? You added an opinion - i discussed that opinion by sharing my experiences which were influenced by my vets learned opinion. I'm confused; if you think that we don't have a right to an opinion whether it be right or wrong, why did you post an opinion in the first place?

You said that it was okay to take the pups to the beach in terms of health risk and i disagreed based on professional advice; no biggie, people disagree. We all have a right to post an opinion; it's a discussion forum - that's the point of the platform. I'm trying to address this but since i'm not sure what you're saying, i'm finding it difficult.

I get the feeling (from the tone of your reply) that you're upset that i addressed your post; if that's the case, i apologise, as my intent wasn't to have a go at you personally (as i said in the original post), but i did want to address your comments by adding a differing POV and experiences (which included the advice i got from my vet whose opinion I value since she discusses statistics and research findings to justify her POV).

[Yonjuro]

The beach would be a great place to socialise. The sand gets a clean every day when the tide comes in. The benefits of socialisation outweigh the risks anyway.

My vet would whole heartedly disagree with you - we had this discussion, among others, regarding what's an appropriate level of risk vs the advantages of socialising last year when we got our latest pup. The beach was high on her list of places not to take puppies not fully covered by vaccination when I wanted to get my pup out and about. Her advice was that there are plenty of places to socialise puppies where the advantages don't present an unacceptable level of risk to puppy's health.

The tide doesn't come all the way up the sand cleaning the whole beach in every beach.

I'm not having a go at you; just addressing your POV in comparison to what my vet recommended.

I don't really care what your vet thinks. Myself, I would not take a litter of pups I bred to the beach but I can understand the benefits of getting them out and about early. What right do we have to tell them they are right or wrong? Just because your vet said so?

I'm not sure what your reply is about so i'll try and address it in sections.

"I don't really care what your vet thinks." - The OP started a thread for discussion; that's what we're doing...discussing and offering differing POV's. Maybe you don't care about a learned opinion such as a vet and that's totally okay, but in a forum platform it's totally appropriate to discuss what a knowledgeable professional has had to say regarding risk statistics and healthy practice.

"Myself, I would not take a litter of pups I bred to the beach but I can understand the benefits of getting them out and about early" - I agree with you; i too wouldn't take a litter of pups to the beach - my rationale comes from the advice from my vet who has a learned opinion and discussed the world statistics regarding different vaccines and schedules with risk factors, so i would and did take her advice and didn't socialise my latest pup at the beach. I got pup out and about in less risky areas. I don't know what your rationale is for avoiding the beach but you have previously put forth that it's not because of the risk factor; your POV is welcomed in forums as is others addressing differing POV's.

"What right do we have to tell them they are right or wrong? Just because your vet said so?" - I'm not sure what you're trying to say here in terms of what right do i/we have in telling them (the dog owners in the OP's post) they are right or wrong: is it that i can't have an opinion or posit a POV that has influenced my practice and comes from my vet whom i regard as a knowledgeable professional? You added an opinion - i discussed that opinion by sharing my experiences which were influenced by my vets learned opinion. I'm confused; if you think that we don't have a right to an opinion whether it be right or wrong, why did you post an opinion in the first place?

You said that it was okay to take the pups to the beach in terms of health risk and i disagreed based on professional advice; no biggie, people disagree. We all have a right to post an opinion; it's a discussion forum - that's the point of the platform. I'm trying to address this but since i'm not sure what you're saying, i'm finding it difficult.

I get the feeling (from the tone of your reply) that you're upset that i addressed your post; if that's the case, i apologise, as my intent wasn't to have a go at you personally (as i said in the original post), but i did want to address your comments by adding a differing POV and experiences (which included the advice i got from my vet whose opinion I value since she discusses statistics and research findings to justify her POV).

Well, I appreciate your input Su and the manner with which you present your views. No anger or nastiness, so good on you

[Stressmagnet]

Yes ^ to this. What a perfect way to have a discussion about different views. Well said SuzieWong.

[Dave-o]

It's interesting seeing the differing opinions. Personally if they were my puppies I wouldn't take them somewhere so busy, just because of health risks. But on the other hand socialising dogs at a young age is a positive thing that will improve their temperament.

Dogs are generally hardy animals, people seem to forget that in 1st world countries - go tell an African they're being irresponsible socialising their 8 week pups.

[BlaznHotAussies]

I'd be wary of taking my young dog out anywhere until it's 12 weeks old personally, after those main vaccinations are up to date. Before that I'd be too worried about them catching something. Personally I'm extra careful now not to upset my dog's immunity as I live on a farm where there are the odd mangey foxes so if my dog isn't in tip top health he's more susceptible.

Having recently lost a dog to a horrific reaction to Revolution (selamectin) I'm not touching any of those medications with a 10 foot pole, so basically all I can do is keep my current puppy in the best health possible & out of the bush as much as possible (difficult when you want to go on walks around the paddocks) to prevent him from getting mange.

[shapeshifter]

The beach would be a great place to socialise. The sand gets a clean every day when the tide comes in. The benefits of socialisation outweigh the risks anyway.

My vet would whole heartedly disagree with you - we had this discussion, among others, regarding what's an appropriate level of risk vs the advantages of socialising last year when we got our latest pup. The beach was high on her list of places not to take puppies not fully covered by vaccination when I wanted to get my pup out and about. Her advice was that there are plenty of places to socialise puppies where the advantages don't present an unacceptable level of risk to puppy's health.

The tide doesn't come all the way up the sand cleaning the whole beach in every beach.

I'm not having a go at you; just addressing your POV in comparison to what my vet recommended.

We have a local beach here that is the 'dog beach', it's very very well known for all the diseases that dogs can pick up, parvo, kennel cough, anything and everything can be traced back to that beach when there is an outbreak.

Some people have no idea, and ARE TOO STUPID to be educated :(

Wow. Judgemental much?

Yup. I've send this stuff before near where I live. Judgemental? I can live with that. I stand by my comment.

There is a term called feeble-mindedness, this is when even with education people are still stupid, you can't fix stupid no matter how hard you try!