persephone Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 *sigh* I shouldn't have even commented - however , does anyone have any facts/numbers on teh likelihood of a dobeX lab pup having a naturally occuring 'dobe' short tail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Dobermanns don't have the NBT gene... So 0%? Edited January 23, 2015 by LisaCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobieMum Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 There's a bobtail gene in rotttie's 1 in a million, but no in dobies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 LOL, I doubt if there will be any stats on that, however, I do know that in my breed you do see a huge variation in the tail length - albeit not as short as a traditionally docked tail. There were quite a few puppies that I did not dock or only took a very little off, when we were allowed to, because the tail was quite a bit shorter than the norm. The undocked Dobes I have seen have a very long thin tail so there would not be any genetic reason apart from a "fortuitous" mutation in a LabxDobe. I think someone is probably telling porky pies!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) About no chance! Occasionally I saw a natural bob in odd crosses. One was a multi mutt cross, the other a Boxer ridge. His was definitely natural. They do turn up in crosses you would be surprised at BUT it's exceedingly rare for two long tails to produce a dock. I remember years ago a Rotti owner was told her pup was a natural bob. In about 5 seconds I found a scar and it was a blunt square tail not a tapering bone as you find in a natural bob Edited January 24, 2015 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 I did wonder - the labradore looked reasonable , the dobe - well looked dobeish ..the offspring looks black, and narrow ,with a white spot on chest anyhow - just one of those things , which I should have ignored ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Dobermanns don't have the NBT gene... So 0%? Sheridan Pausey must have been lying when she told me about it all those years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 ad has been removed anyhow .... poor thing will probably end up in pound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) I have never seen or heard of a Dobe born with a natural Bob tail. Interesting done a bit of quick reading and it appears the odd bob turns up as do kinked tails - seemingly mainly in the US. I haven't hear of one in Australia and considering my mnay years and hours reading and researching I hadn't come across it so I would say the chances of it occuring in Australia are extremely slim. However in the name of more effective research I will ask those in the know :) I wish I could get a NBT Dobe :) Edited January 24, 2015 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Sheridan openly discussed it well before it became illegal to dock and I have no reason not to believe her, she had nothing to gain by discussing it. Shame she's no longer around to confirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Sheridan openly discussed it well before it became illegal to dock and I have no reason not to believe her, she had nothing to gain by discussing it. Shame she's no longer around to confirm I have read lots of what she and many others have written and don't remember seeing it but will go and check through my stuff again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) LOL the answer to my query about the dobe's breeding , and some explanation of bobtail ...? They were born like that u idiot !! GET A LIFE I like when kiddies get upset ;) Edited January 24, 2015 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Bahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The whole litter????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 apparently ......... *shrug* Don't usually spend time on silly ads - but this intrigued me ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I suppose it would be possible to get an odd one with what would in effect be spina bifida. The spaniel that I saw (in NZ) had no movement in it's tail, just a 'blob' - a bit like a Manx cat tail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Easy way to tell feel the tails. No way a whole litter of bobtails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 apparently ......... *shrug* Don't usually spend time on silly ads - but this intrigued me ... What a load of bollocks! Yep occasionally something grabs out attention :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I suppose it would be possible to get an odd one with what would in effect be spina bifida. The spaniel that I saw (in NZ) had no movement in it's tail, just a 'blob' - a bit like a Manx cat tail No idea about bob tail genetics in dogs but do know about Manx cats. I also thought that bob tail would be a genetic defect of the natural spine of a dog so why would anyone want to breed genetically defected dogs Manx cats have so many problems due to their lack of tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stressmagnet Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) LOL the answer to my query about the dobe's breeding , and some explanation of bobtail ...? They were born like that u idiot !! GET A LIFE I like when kiddies get upset ;) Aw. I so wish I'd had a chance to read it in all its glory. I so love reading literate, well reasoned and logically constructed arguments. :laugh: Edited January 24, 2015 by Stressmagnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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