OSoSwift Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) As stated, I am looking for pointers for dvd's, videos, webpages etc etc for pointers on teaching a dog a collection command. I have never needed one on a dog before and now I need it for Lewis but more so for Wilson. They get their whippet on and lengthen out when doing agility. It is great to have the speed but they sometimes overshoot jumps etc as they do hugely long jumps or huge strides when they need to be shortening up. Edited January 20, 2015 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Definitely understand where you're coming from with a lanky Dally and Springer who loves jumping LONG. With the H360 system it's about doing a lot of cone work or with a wing - very close in and teaching verbals so JUMP means in full extension whereas Check Check means take the face of the jump and wrap tight, Tis Tis means turn, Na Na is back of the jump and tight turn etc. Like anything else you reward 50% or better - I realised Em was turning wide...but guess what I'd been rewarding!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Is that a DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Is that a DVD? No I don't think Susan Garrett has done any DVDs of H360. It's all online courses. Will see if I can find you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 hmmmm never done one of those before :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Darn. I'm not sure what to suggest without confusing you!!! Seriously H360 has changed agility for us and was one of the main drivers behind Zig's Ag Ch. This is one of my instructor's videos - look at how tight her fast dogs can wrap. But everything starts super close, low jumps and steady. Slowly add the crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 HOw do you do an online course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I think current registrations are closed: http://handling360.com But you can register to be notified when the next one opens. If I were remote and didn't have access to my awesome trainers I would do this in a heartbeat. But it's quite a commitment and not for everyone either. SG's online courses are great - I just finished Recallers 5.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 what sort of commitment are we talking? Thats what concerns me. BEtween kids, kennels, dogs and horses some weeks are just not possible to train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Oso I'm not sure exactly as I haven't done H360 online. But I genuinely do about 5 min a day per dog if I'm lucky. On top of that I do retrieving with Em, shaping, core stability and general fitness so not a lot of time for agility. I was SO NOT going to switch handling systems with Zig but soon realised how beneficial it was for the dogs. And yes it was bloody hard learning all the verbals but my handling is all about timeliness now rather than timing. So when the dog has committed to an obstacle I can call the verbal cue that not only indicates the next obstacle but the direction to take after that. And we are all enjoying ourselves so much more. I think DOLer Jess is doing it online - maybe shoot her a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 We have a loooong striding whippet in class and he's doing great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Lewis is very fast and can turn very sharply, but yep occassionally he lengthens and oops, over shoots :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) OK I have some ideas for you that might help! H360 would of course be brilliant, but I think registration has closed. SG did have an ebook on tight turns that we could download for expressing interest in H360 - but not sure if that is still available. Sylvia Trkman has a DVD on teaching turns, available on Clean Run, also using going around poles etc http://www.cleanrun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=3170&ParentCat=103 From what I understand it is very similar to H360 and the other one I am going to suggest Shape Up Agility. I did the Shape Up Agility seminar last year and it was brilliant! Lots of information on tight turns. They also have online classes which you can audit or get a working spot. While the lessons have started, I think you can still purchase auditing spots http://shapeupagility.com/online-lessons Also Stacy Richards in Sydney is now running online classes as well, which cover tight turns https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutedogs-Coaching/1389063491396614?pnref=story Edited January 20, 2015 by Kavik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaCharlie Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 definitely recommend the Silvia trkman dvds. Cik and Cap are her collection cues so that DVD is all about collection, or the foundation also covers a reasonable amount with ideas for teaching other handling (serps etc). We have both and also did her online foundation class with the youngest 2. It was definitely worth it, she gives great feedback and really quick too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Excellent thank you, I will go and check them out. They are pretty good with turns etc until they get a bit excited so more work will definitely help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Excellent thank you, I will go and check them out. They are pretty good with turns etc until they get a bit excited so more work will definitely help Yep - we were doing this the other day with Em. Adding speed as she flew out of the tunnel. First jump straight in front (nailed it), next take a right angle turn (big fail the first time - sailed over the jump in front of her :laugh:) then take a 180 turn as she came out. There were lots of cries of "Abort! Abort! Abort!" happening with all the handlers as they tried not to be taken out at speed Edited January 21, 2015 by The Spotted Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 The comment from his last round, where he hit the turbo charge button and I was calling out, over, shit!!! - to which the judge cracked up laughing - was geez he is quick! Even with missing two jumps adn having to come back he came in waaayyyy under time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfect partners Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 As stated, I am looking for pointers for dvd's, videos, webpages etc etc for pointers on teaching a dog a collection command. I have never needed one on a dog before and now I need it for Lewis but more so for Wilson. They get their whippet on and lengthen out when doing agility. It is great to have the speed but they sometimes overshoot jumps etc as they do hugely long jumps or huge strides when they need to be shortening up. Susan Salo's 'Foundation Jumping' and 'Advanced Jumping' DVD sets are very good. They teach dogs to read distances and to lengthen and shorten stride as needed. She runs workshops at Susan Garrett's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 As stated, I am looking for pointers for dvd's, videos, webpages etc etc for pointers on teaching a dog a collection command. I have never needed one on a dog before and now I need it for Lewis but more so for Wilson. They get their whippet on and lengthen out when doing agility. It is great to have the speed but they sometimes overshoot jumps etc as they do hugely long jumps or huge strides when they need to be shortening up. Susan Salo's 'Foundation Jumping' and 'Advanced Jumping' DVD sets are very good. They teach dogs to read distances and to lengthen and shorten stride as needed. She runs workshops at Susan Garrett's place. Thank you, I have some of her stuff so will look those up. Much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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