oakway Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Who is to know where the litter is whelped and raised? you're right and lot's of people do it. They go to some extraordinary lengths to conceal it but really other people know, they are probably just fortunate that no one dobs them in. I'm not really sure what the issue is, other than possibly a money one for the CC's The only difference I can see is if the dog is bred out of the state and reg. in the state the owner holds a prefix in is this. State Bred Class. Class 9 State registered dog. for dogs six months and over which were initially reg. in the state in which it is exhibited. ie Qld. The same applies to bitches of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Just to let you all know............I am not prepared to break the rules. what do you mean by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 when and if Neko is bred she will whelp at my place but the puppies will be registered under a different prefix, even though I have my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Just to let you all know............I am not prepared to break the rules. what do you mean by that? Exactly what I said. I am not prepared to break the rules. If others are that's their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ok- but I don't think anyone actually said or implied that they were or accused you of ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 when and if Neko is bred she will whelp at my place but the puppies will be registered under a different prefix, even though I have my own. Same state though Kirislin? That was my plan with Quinn too but now I've moved states I'd have to arrange something else if we were to go ahead (big if). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 when and if Neko is bred she will whelp at my place but the puppies will be registered under a different prefix, even though I have my own. Same state though Kirislin? That was my plan with Quinn too but now I've moved states I'd have to arrange something else if we were to go ahead (big if). yep, same state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I actually know of a lot of people who do this. I didn't realised you couldn't as it's so common! Edited January 12, 2015 by Bjelkier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 One of my dogs is registered with DogsVic and I transfered him via Dogs vic to my name and he is shown in WA, no issues there. The issue wold be if I was a member of dogs Vic and showing him in WA, thats where the three month rule applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It is very common for litters to be whelped other than in the prefix holders home and registered to whichever state they prefix is held in. I had litters in the past whelped in ACT and registered to our joint owmed prefix in NSW. I know of several more recent litters born and raised in SA and registered to a prefix in NSW. So long as the bitch is owned by the prefix holder the litter is registered to them, it doesn't matter where the litter is actually born. There is also nothing on the registration application asking where the litter has been whelped. This is the ANKC regulation. 6.5 Registration of Litters (05/05) 6.5.1 Subject to 6.5.2, a litter must be registered in the State or Territory of residency of the owner irrespective of where the pups are born. 6.5.2 Where a prefix is jointly owned, registered and maintained in more than one State or Territory, the litter must be registered in the State or Territory in which the pups are born. (Amended 10/13 – 5.6.4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 This is the ANKC regulation. 6.5 Registration of Litters (05/05) 6.5.1 Subject to 6.5.2, a litter must be registered in the State or Territory of residency of the owner irrespective of where the pups are born. 6.5.2 Where a prefix is jointly owned, registered and maintained in more than one State or Territory, the litter must be registered in the State or Territory in which the pups are born. (Amended 10/13 – 5.6.4) Thankyou that's all I need to see :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This is the ANKC regulation. 6.5 Registration of Litters (05/05) 6.5.1 Subject to 6.5.2, a litter must be registered in the State or Territory of residency of the owner irrespective of where the pups are born. 6.5.2 Where a prefix is jointly owned, registered and maintained in more than one State or Territory, the litter must be registered in the State or Territory in which the pups are born. (Amended 10/13 – 5.6.4) Thankyou that's all I need to see :-) Thanks dancinbcs for that I have just got off the phone speaking with Dogs Qld. and they will accept that ruling. I apologises if I gave any incorrect information but I assure that is what I was told. But I was also informed that any dog that leaves this state is to be transferred within 14 days. So back to square one again. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaCharlie Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 When we lived near the border of ACT/NSW we were advised to have a prefix with both associations as the house was in NSW (so pups registered with DogsNSW) but our vet was in the ACT if a c-section was required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 My understanding of the situation is that the puppies must be registered by the person who is the registered owner of the dam on the day the pups are born, in the State of residence of that person and in that person's prefix. That is, if I am the registered owner of a bitch that whelps in NSW, I have to register the pups in my kennel name in my State (ie Victoria). I am technically the owner of the pups and no other person can register the litter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It is very common for litters to be whelped other than in the prefix holders home and registered to whichever state they prefix is held in. I had litters in the past whelped in ACT and registered to our joint owmed prefix in NSW. I know of several more recent litters born and raised in SA and registered to a prefix in NSW. So long as the bitch is owned by the prefix holder the litter is registered to them, it doesn't matter where the litter is actually born. There is also nothing on the registration application asking where the litter has been whelped. This is the ANKC regulation. 6.5 Registration of Litters (05/05) 6.5.1 Subject to 6.5.2, a litter must be registered in the State or Territory of residency of the owner irrespective of where the pups are born. 6.5.2 Where a prefix is jointly owned, registered and maintained in more than one State or Territory, the litter must be registered in the State or Territory in which the pups are born. (Amended 10/13 – 5.6.4) incorrect for Victoria as I have stated previously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 My understanding of the situation is that the puppies must be registered by the person who is the registered owner of the dam on the day the pups are born, in the State of residence of that person and in that person's prefix. That is, if I am the registered owner of a bitch that whelps in NSW, I have to register the pups in my kennel name in my State (ie Victoria). I am technically the owner of the pups and no other person can register the litter. VCA says pups to be registered in Victoria must be whelped in Victoria. I asked this very same question of them and was told bitch must whelp in Vic for pups to be registered in Vic. I didn't ask what would happen if I didn't bring the bitch back for whelping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 My understanding of the situation is that the puppies must be registered by the person who is the registered owner of the dam on the day the pups are born, in the State of residence of that person and in that person's prefix. That is, if I am the registered owner of a bitch that whelps in NSW, I have to register the pups in my kennel name in my State (ie Victoria). I am technically the owner of the pups and no other person can register the litter. VCA says pups to be registered in Victoria must be whelped in Victoria. I asked this very same question of them and was told bitch must whelp in Vic for pups to be registered in Vic. I didn't ask what would happen if I didn't bring the bitch back for whelping. Ask them to point you towards the regulation. Never take the word of the office staff in any state for a regulation. You need to read it yourself to make sure they have not got it wrong. They cannot possibly know every regulation off the top of their head. The ANKC are the registering body, not Dogs Vic, who just process the registration. There is nothing on a registration application asking where the litter was whelped, it just requires that the bitch is owned by the prefix holder and that the prefix holder is resident in the state where they are registered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 My understanding of the situation is that the puppies must be registered by the person who is the registered owner of the dam on the day the pups are born, in the State of residence of that person and in that person's prefix. That is, if I am the registered owner of a bitch that whelps in NSW, I have to register the pups in my kennel name in my State (ie Victoria). I am technically the owner of the pups and no other person can register the litter. VCA says pups to be registered in Victoria must be whelped in Victoria. I asked this very same question of them and was told bitch must whelp in Vic for pups to be registered in Vic. I didn't ask what would happen if I didn't bring the bitch back for whelping. Ask them to point you towards the regulation. Never take the word of the office staff in any state for a regulation. You need to read it yourself to make sure they have not got it wrong. They cannot possibly know every regulation off the top of their head. The ANKC are the registering body, not Dogs Vic, who just process the registration. There is nothing on a registration application asking where the litter was whelped, it just requires that the bitch is owned by the prefix holder and that the prefix holder is resident in the state where they are registered. Yes there is in Victoria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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