show-obsession Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Hello, This should be in the breeders forum but I do not have access so thought I would ask here. Straight to the point. person (a) is showing a bitch bred by and owned by person (b) Person (b) would like to acknowledge person (a's) efforts by allowing them to have a litter from the bitch. Litter will be under person (b)'s prefix as person (a) does not have one. Question- is person (a) allowed to whelp the litter in their home? litter will be using person (b)'s own dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstar Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yes the litter can be born anywhere. Leanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yes the litter can be born anywhere. Leanne not in Victoria. For the VCA to register the pups they must be born in the state. Went through this last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Ok this is in nsw- breeder and owner of bitch qld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Ok this is in nsw- breeder and owner of bitch qld no problems then :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If the owner of the bitch resides in Qld and holds a prefix and the dog is their name then the litter can not be registered outside the state. I only know this because I had a similar situation arise and rang Dogs Qld. The only solution was to transfer the bitch or lease. Fortunately the bitch managed to make it home and neither was required. The state I asked about was not NSW but I got the impression it was a no no, no matter what the state. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ok now I am confused lol So the litter must be whelped in the same state? even if the litter will be under the prefix that the bitch is under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystiqview Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Depends on the state. Each state have different rules. For example, a WA breeder can whelp another litter in another state, as long as the bitch is registered to the person with the fix under which the litter is to be whelped. Where I also think at one point in QLD, technically, if a breeder stashes a dog somewhere, then the registration papers have to reflect that person on the registration. Eg. Co own with that person. For example, I can not register a dog in my name and have it live and "owned" by someone else at a different address, unless on a co own. If the two people in your situation are co owners of said bitch. To have a litter, then the prefix needs to be in both names. Which means a lease or transfer to the person holding the prefix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This is not strictly kosher, but person b owns the bitch and the prefix, so there is no problem with them having a litter with their own bitch and registering it in their name, and giving a pup to person a. I presume the bitch lives with person a? Person a can certainly whelp the bitch in their home for person b. Am rather bemused that a Q dog can be shown in NSW. Can only do that in Q for 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 problem with transfer is obviously person a does not hold a prefix. Yes, there is the breeder producing a litter and giving a pup to person a, however breeder does not want a litter for a while, nor are they in a position to rear a litter. Litter was to be produced to allow person (a) to continue their show journey with a pup or two of their own. Bitch would then be returned to breeder. Puppies would be registered under breeders own prefix. What I have read on the ankc website is that a litter produced is to be registered in the state in which the owner of the bitch/and prefix is registered, despite where puppies are born. However in case where prefix in jointly owned in separate states, litter is to be registered in state where litter are born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ok now I am confused lol So the litter must be whelped in the same state? even if the litter will be under the prefix that the bitch is under? no ( except for Vic ) pups must be registered in the same state as the prefix holder, so pups can be whelped in NSW and registered in Qld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 And yes 3 month rule is known, a lease to finish off her title is being sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ok now I am confused lol So the litter must be whelped in the same state? even if the litter will be under the prefix that the bitch is under? no ( except for Vic ) pups must be registered in the same state as the prefix holder, so pups can be whelped in NSW and registered in Qld. Thankyou, this is what I have understood of ankc ruling also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 All I can tell you is this ....no way was Dogs Qld going to allow me to reg. a litter in S A when I lived and held the prefix in Qld. even if the bitch was at the time too ill to travel. As I said the bitch was given a clearance to travel and is back home with me. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show-obsession Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 ok- that's not the question though, not asking that the litter be registered in nsw. The litter will be registered in qld- as the prefix is registered in queensland. just saying the litter be whelped in nsw. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Litter must be registered in the state in which it is whelped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poocow Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Am rather bemused that a Q dog can be shown in NSW. Can only do that in Q for 3 months. I didn't think it mattered if a Q dog was shown for an indefinite period of time in another state? I know that the other way ie. another states dog being shown in QLD has a 3 month rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Who is to know where the litter is whelped and raised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Who is to know where the litter is whelped and raised? you're right and lot's of people do it. They go to some extraordinary lengths to conceal it but really other people know, they are probably just fortunate that no one dobs them in. I'm not really sure what the issue is, other than possibly a money one for the CC's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Just to let you all know............I am not prepared to break the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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