Vet Perth

[OSoSwift]

I don't really want to go much into it, but suffice it to say he was pinning down a 9 week old puppy and Ronin was screaming and screaming and he wouldn't let him up, he was very distressed which is not how I would like a first vet visit to be He wanted to teach him who is boss and said that he couldn't let him up until he stopped. Maybe not technically an Alpha roll, but enough to make me very upset at the time. Maybe it would work with another breed but definitely not with a Husky puppy.

Hmmm yep okay, not good, and I agree certainly not good at all for a first visit to the vet. I would have been very unhappy with that display by my vet and he/she would have been told straight and the dog removed without them finishing the consult. Sounds like an Alpha roll not a trun puppy over to see whats a happening underneath.

All my babies happily would roll over and lie on their backs as they had done it since being a few weeks old. I got them use to being held and not wiggling etc as they were going to families with kids and I didn't want them to be picked up and turned upside down and then struggle and get dropped. In the end they went like rag doll cats. BUt there is a time and a place and a learning process. Doing that is not right.

Edited December 13, 2014 by OSoSwift

[VizslaMomma]

I don't really want to go much into it, but suffice it to say he was pinning down a 9 week old puppy and Ronin was screaming and screaming and he wouldn't let him up, he was very distressed which is not how I would like a first vet visit to be He wanted to teach him who is boss and said that he couldn't let him up until he stopped. Maybe not technically an Alpha roll, but enough to make me very upset at the time. Maybe it would work with another breed but definitely not with a Husky puppy.

Hmmm yep okay, not good, and I agree certainly not good at all for a first visit to the vet. I would have been very unhappy with that display by my vet and he/she would have been told straight and the dog removed without them finishing the consult. Sounds like an Alpha roll not a trun puppy over to see whats a happening underneath.

All my babies happily would roll over and lie on their backs as they had done it since being a few weeks old. I got them use to being held and not wiggling etc as they were going to families with kids and I didn't want them to be picked up and turned upside down and then struggle and get dropped. In the end they went like rag doll cats. BUt there is a time and a place and a learning process. Doing that is not right.

What you describe is the ideal way of handling a puppy for when Puppy has a new family.

There's no mention or sense of fear in anything you have written. Puppy learns to roll over and to have good experiences.

All the Vizslas enjoyed 'rolls' and mad leg cycling as their tummies were tickled. Herbert demands tummy tickles several times daily.

I see it as bonding time, never fear.

[OSoSwift]

I don't really want to go much into it, but suffice it to say he was pinning down a 9 week old puppy and Ronin was screaming and screaming and he wouldn't let him up, he was very distressed which is not how I would like a first vet visit to be He wanted to teach him who is boss and said that he couldn't let him up until he stopped. Maybe not technically an Alpha roll, but enough to make me very upset at the time. Maybe it would work with another breed but definitely not with a Husky puppy.

Hmmm yep okay, not good, and I agree certainly not good at all for a first visit to the vet. I would have been very unhappy with that display by my vet and he/she would have been told straight and the dog removed without them finishing the consult. Sounds like an Alpha roll not a trun puppy over to see whats a happening underneath.

All my babies happily would roll over and lie on their backs as they had done it since being a few weeks old. I got them use to being held and not wiggling etc as they were going to families with kids and I didn't want them to be picked up and turned upside down and then struggle and get dropped. In the end they went like rag doll cats. BUt there is a time and a place and a learning process. Doing that is not right.

What you describe is the ideal way of handling a puppy for when Puppy has a new family.

There's no mention or sense of fear in anything you have written. Puppy learns to roll over and to have good experiences.

All the Vizslas enjoyed 'rolls' and mad leg cycling as their tummies were tickled. Herbert demands tummy tickles several times daily.

I see it as bonding time, never fear.

Yes I agree. I do wonder if people who saw me doing it would wonder if I was alpha rolling as I do start young so their is minimal fuss but if they do kick up and wiggle and whinge I hold them firmly and quietly until they stop wiggling. The difference is I guess they are in a known environment and they are not fearful, more annoyed at being interrupted. So even if they protest it isn't an out of the blue pin the puppy down experience.

If my vet did that I would be annoyed as well. If my vet needs to see somthing I will happily turn mine over, upside down whatever, hold their nose so they are still etc etc for the vet to eb able to see and do what they want to, if they just grabbed them and hoicked them over I wouldn't be happy.

The only time I would accept it is if soemthing really needs to be done and the dog was not co-operating and they had to grab, and pin down to give treatment etc then yes they could do what needed to be done, especially in emergency treatment such as snakebite etc.

[VizslaMomma]

The only time I would accept it is if soemthing really needs to be done and the dog was not co-operating and they had to grab, and pin down to give treatment etc then yes they could do what needed to be done, especially in emergency treatment such as snakebite etc.

I concur.If it's a grave threat to the welfare of my dog, then I accept some actions may be needed.

That said I have been lucky with Vets who could able to handle upset dogs.