Nobivac Vaccination Schedule

[suziwong66]

Laiken will be arriving here in Adelaide in the first week of October - as usual, she will have received her first vaccination at 6 weeks; my breeder's vet administers Protec c3 DHP. We've always followed the Protec schedule (6/12 weeks) when we've had pups and they have all missed out on much of the crucial 8-16 weeks socialisation because they weren't covered against DHP until 10-14 days after the 12 week vaccination.

We took norty brown dawg Wilbur out as soon as he came home at 8 weeks, but we carried him everywhere - this limited the type of socialisation experiences he had. This time round, i'm going to discuss with my vet the Nobivac schedule so that I can have her out and about by 11-11.5 weeks on foot and i'll carry her till then.

I don't frequent dog parks and don't let my dog socialise with other dogs as i prefer his focus be on me when we're out and about; he's over friendly so i've neutralised him for the past two years after realising that his first year socialising with other dogs and people did me no favours as their value to him was way too high for me to compete for his attention. I spent the next two years trying to rectify this. (i adhere to the thought that socialising and socialisation are two different concepts even though socialisation can occur when your dog is socialising)

Who has used Nobivac? Who's considering using Nobivac for their pups?

Any input and discussion would be great; thanks.

[dotdashdot]

My pup Nala had the Nobivac, didn't plan it that way - I only realised after the vaccination was given and I saw the sticker on the chart. I was a bit miffed that I wasn't even asked if I wanted it! But I liked getting out and about earlier but I didn't do it that often anyway. Most of our outings consist of going to our local beach which has few dogs, and I was taking Nala down there pre-vac anyway, just below the tide line. (my older dog is reactive to other dogs, so I avoid other dogs when possible with her)

[Airedaler]

I've always taken my puppies out - selectively- at 8 weeks, having been vaccinated at 6. My Vet told me that they would have enough protection between natural immunity and the 6 week vaccination to be covered.

[suziwong66]

had a chat to the vet today: she didn't reccomend Nobivav ans said that although the manufacturer stated a 95% success rate the International Vaccination body states that it has closer to 85% success rate: She said stay with the Protech & keep the schedule T 6/10/14 week but take pup out 7-10 days after 10 week injection but avoid places like the beach & dog parks.

[Simply Grand]

All three of mine plus foster puppy had Nobivac C3 at 6 wks and C5 at 10 weeks, all of them I started taking out including to dog parks from 11 weeks and I never had any problems.

However, 4 dogs isn't exactly a comprehensive sample! And of course I don't know whether they were actually exposed to anything so I don't know whether the vaccines worked or they would have been fine anyway.

[suziwong66]

thanks SG and also thanks for your reply to my thread about introducing the pup and Wilbur; your post was particularly encouraging.

Re Nobivac: i had a chat to my vet a few days after posting and got some interesting info. She said that the manufacturer claim a 95% success rate with Nobivac but the international vaccination data regarding Nobivac told a different story - an 85% success rate.

We both agreed that a 95% success rate with a failure rate of 5% would be an entirely suitable risk to take however an 85% success rate with a 15% failure rate isn't a suitable risk.

After a great deal of discussion regarding acceptable risk vs the birth to 16 week socialisation window with both Nobivac and Protech we both agreed to stay on the Protech protocol and schedule of C3 at 6 weeks and c4 at 10 weeks and then socialising in low risk areas from 11 weeks on. The final Protech C5 would be delivered at 14 weeks with full coverage expected a week later. High risk areas to avoid include dog parks (i don't frequent), beaches and parks. Vet said to stay on paths where possible and avoid wet deposits on the ground like vomit, spit etc as the organisms are alive as long as the deposit is wet; once dry the organisms die.

So my plan is from 8 weeks onward is that new puppy will be taken, in arms, out and about until 11 weeks. From then on, pup will be on foot but in low risk areas until 15 weeks. We carried Wilbur EVERYWHERE until 15 weeks which nearly killed me; he was a porker of a puppy He was the largest puppy in the litter and the only boy and he knew how to muscle in for feeds...fatty boombah clearly never missed a meal!

Edited September 6, 2014 by suziwong66

[DeltaCharlie]

A pup we bred was given the nobivac vaccine and then titred a few weeks later as recommended. She came back as having absolutely zero coverage and ended up having to have the protech afterall.

I am not a fan of it, anything that is potent enough to completely wipe-out any maternal antibodies in the system is not something I want to be putting into my dog!

[persephone]

as the organisms are alive as long as the deposit is wet; once dry the organisms die.

you may want to check that - I always thought parvo stays active!!

[suziwong66]

as the organisms are alive as long as the deposit is wet; once dry the organisms die.

you may want to check that - I always thought parvo stays active!!

you are correct in reference to parvo; when we had the discussion her comments about 'wet materials' were in general and not specific to parvo - we'd already discussed parvo and how long it can be active in the soil.

[persephone]

as the organisms are alive as long as the deposit is wet; once dry the organisms die.

you may want to check that - I always thought parvo stays active!!

you are correct in reference to parvo; when we had the discussion her comments about 'wet materials' were in general and not specific to parvo - we'd already discussed parvo and how long it can be active in the soil.

Ok :)