Akayla Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 My last GSD bitch died at 10 from Cancer but her mum is/was still kicking at 16. Her mums mum was 14 and so was her mum. They died from old age really. To date the WL I have owned have had issues. HD and skin problems. Temperament was fine if a little difficult going through that teen stage. I think the most important thing to remember is WL doesn't make it healthy. There are SOOO many breeders now that call themselves WL who breed very sickly dogs. Plenty of WL breeders who just don't give a hoot. Just like there are SL breeders that are pretty bad too. My current GSD is from SL as well and healthy. Dogs like people can have issues. Its just the luck of the draw. ALL breeds can have issues as can mutts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 The only working Belgium Shepherd in Aus is the malinois. All other are showlines and I have been told have quite a soft show temperament. I have met a handful of the black ones Groenendael and all have been kind pet-type temperament dogs. All nice dogs. I wouldn't call any of the malinois I have met soft in any way, but I believe there are less driven ones out there. I don't think the malinois I have met would be good family dogs unless the family is experienced with a high-prey dog. But that said, all have been working dogs, and they take their jobs seriously. Maybe others who own malinois can comment. I've heard that there are some working line Groenendaels coming into Australia. I'm keeping an eye on that, some people at training are interested and are keeping me informed. I will let people know when I hear more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemesideways Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I've heard good things about Monsimbee also. Raennik is also another breeder that I have seen some lovely dogs from, as well as Brooksvale. There a lots of nice GSDs around, just take your time, meet the dogs and speak to the breeder. My recommendation is to do the puppy raising program with K9 Pro ( http://www.k9protraining.com.au/ ) . I did this with my working GSD and it was amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal1 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hi Kavik, Have seen some nice Groenendael French ring dogs on line but that being said was quite a bit of Malinois/Tervueren in the pedigree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I've heard good things about Monsimbee also. Raennik is also another breeder that I have seen some lovely dogs from, as well as Brooksvale. There a lots of nice GSDs around, just take your time, meet the dogs and speak to the breeder. My recommendation is to do the puppy raising program with K9 Pro ( http://www.k9protraining.com.au/ ) . I did this with my working GSD and it was amazing! My Cooper is from Raennik :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I've heard good things about Monsimbee also. Raennik is also another breeder that I have seen some lovely dogs from, as well as Brooksvale. There a lots of nice GSDs around, just take your time, meet the dogs and speak to the breeder. My recommendation is to do the puppy raising program with K9 Pro ( http://www.k9protraining.com.au/ ) . I did this with my working GSD and it was amazing! My Cooper is from Raennik :) Looking on the Raennik site, and the life span of two of the bitches was rather poor with one passing away at 9 years of age and another at 6 years of age. My Diesel has had a score of health issues and is nearly 11 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 So far these guys look like they may produce nice working and sports dogs, one of the few kennels I have been tempted by http://www.kovacsshepherds.com.au/ On another note: My sister's husband is keen on getting a dog for the family - either GSD or Lab. 3 kids aged 7 to 3 1/2 Anybody know anything about these kennels for family pets http://www.freundhund.net/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 So far these guys look like they may produce nice working and sports dogs, one of the few kennels I have been tempted by http://www.kovacsshepherds.com.au/ Kovacs are consistently producing high end working dogs for police, service and sport. I've seen quite a few of their dogs over the past few years and would recommend them to anyone looking for a decent GSD. Vonroseblick, Monsimbee and Brooksvale also produce some nice dogs that would suit family or sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I've heard good things about Monsimbee also. Raennik is also another breeder that I have seen some lovely dogs from, as well as Brooksvale. There a lots of nice GSDs around, just take your time, meet the dogs and speak to the breeder. My recommendation is to do the puppy raising program with K9 Pro ( http://www.k9protraining.com.au/ ) . I did this with my working GSD and it was amazing! My Cooper is from Raennik :) Looking on the Raennik site, and the life span of two of the bitches was rather poor with one passing away at 9 years of age and another at 6 years of age. My Diesel has had a score of health issues and is nearly 11 years old. Yes I did ask about that and unfortunately they were from snake bites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 How awful to lose them to snake bites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I've heard good things about Monsimbee also. Raennik is also another breeder that I have seen some lovely dogs from, as well as Brooksvale. There a lots of nice GSDs around, just take your time, meet the dogs and speak to the breeder. My recommendation is to do the puppy raising program with K9 Pro ( http://www.k9protraining.com.au/ ) . I did this with my working GSD and it was amazing! My Cooper is from Raennik :) Looking on the Raennik site, and the life span of two of the bitches was rather poor with one passing away at 9 years of age and another at 6 years of age. My Diesel has had a score of health issues and is nearly 11 years old. What's the average lifespan of GSD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave73 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 10 - 12 years in some literature but this time last year overseas I read a lot of literature and it was 8-10 years in some. so maybe 8-12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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