Steve Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Dogs NSW have new requirement where you have to have your membership number in all ads or face fines and an enquiry . So I just did a search and turned up heaps of ads Ive placed over the last 10 years - some I can edit some I cant .But it works both ways what if I say Im DOGS NSW add my number and tomorrow Im not a member any more - seems potential problems here either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Guess you ring them up and ask Steve. As an associate member the rule applies to me too so I'll not be rejoining when my current membership runs out. I'm not satisfying two state organisations requirements, Vic is hard enough. And it's only if you are selling or giving away a dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Guess you ring them up and ask Steve. As an associate member the rule applies to me too so I'll not be rejoining when my current membership runs out. I'm not satisfying two state organisations requirements, Vic is hard enough. And it's only if you are selling or giving away a dog. yes I thought the same- if you are a member of a few it starts to make for a long ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Guess you ring them up and ask Steve. As an associate member the rule applies to me too so I'll not be rejoining when my current membership runs out. I'm not satisfying two state organisations requirements, Vic is hard enough. And it's only if you are selling or giving away a dog. Yes Ive just sent one an email to ask how I can edit it as I dont even have a clue what email address I used - that is if I actually placed the ad 10 years ago anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I can understand their reason for doing it. They are trying to head off a state govt requirement for 'licensing' (I.e. Having to apply for a state govt licence and display of that licence number on ads) by showing that dogs nsw membership is sufficient. There will be teething problems no doubt, but better this than the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 I can understand their reason for doing it. They are trying to head off a state govt requirement for 'licensing' (I.e. Having to apply for a state govt licence and display of that licence number on ads) by showing that dogs nsw membership is sufficient. There will be teething problems no doubt, but better this than the alternative. Do you think so? I thought it was to identify who is a dogs NSW registered breeder to try to eliminate people who get confused over what is registered and who they are registered with. Cant see how this will prevent a licensing scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It was a deal done with the Government so DogsNSW members did not have to become licensed breeders with the government. Breeders licensed with the NSW government have to show their license number. DogsNSW member don't have to fork out yet more money to be licensed but have to supply their number instead. That's it roughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 It was a deal done with the Government so DogsNSW members did not have to become licensed breeders with the government. Breeders licensed with the NSW government have to show their license number. DogsNSW member don't have to fork out yet more money to be licensed but have to supply their number instead. That's it roughly. When did this happen ? Im aware of the discussion and the push for such a thing but have had no notice of a pending licence introductions or of exemptions. In NSW the MDBA, AAPDB and the Mini foxie club have equal exemption status and Ive not been advised of any such progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It was a deal done with the Government so DogsNSW members did not have to become licensed breeders with the government. Breeders licensed with the NSW government have to show their license number. DogsNSW member don't have to fork out yet more money to be licensed but have to supply their number instead. That's it roughly. When did this happen ? Im aware of the discussion and the push for such a thing but have had no notice of a pending licence introductions or of exemptions. In NSW the MDBA, AAPDB and the Mini foxie club have equal exemption status and Ive not been advised of any such progress. April it was published I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 It was a deal done with the Government so DogsNSW members did not have to become licensed breeders with the government. Breeders licensed with the NSW government have to show their license number. DogsNSW member don't have to fork out yet more money to be licensed but have to supply their number instead. That's it roughly. When did this happen ? Im aware of the discussion and the push for such a thing but have had no notice of a pending licence introductions or of exemptions. In NSW the MDBA, AAPDB and the Mini foxie club have equal exemption status and Ive not been advised of any such progress. April it was published I think I cant find any mention of it - any ideas where Id find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is off Tom Couchman's FB page Oh boy. This has been in the Dogs NSW Code of Ethics Regulations since April. "A Member shall include their Dogs NSW Membership Number in an advertisement placed in any form of media, or on any sign whatsoever, which advertises a dog or puppy for sale whether for payment or not. Such quotation shall be in the form “Dogs NSW Member xxxxxxxxxx”." I just did a quick check of Dogzonline Puppy and Mature Dogs listings to assess compliance and what a shock I got. There is an almost a zero compliance rate. One caution applies until the end of September but thereafter a very heavy regime of fines apply. 1st offence if prior to 30 September 2014 – Caution Thereafter: 1st offence - $200 2nd offence - $500 3rd or subsequent offence – Member to Inquiry. Could I humbly suggest that if you want to avoid these penalties you should get in there quickly and add Membership Numbers to your advertisements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I saw something on the dog show gossip facebook page that said they would be automatically included from a certain date, I'm guessing as an inbuilt piece of info in the add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) This was the statement made by a member: Not really gossip, but thought I would share. Just received an email from DOL informing me that from this Wednesday 13th August any puppy/mature dogs for sale ads that are placed will now automatically have my Dogs NSW membership number included. This is to comply with the new rules. Now there will be no excuses for NSW advertisers to forget. I guess by including them from this week it should ensure that any ads that will still be up when then new regulation comes in with have it included Edited August 11, 2014 by kelpiecuddles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Yes but this is only a DogsNSW requirement - not required by law. There is no such thing at this time as a license or requirement for this to be in advertising unless they are dogs NSW members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 And what are they going to do when people don't pay their fines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 Or when people have old ads with a number in even though they are not members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Oh it's so flawed. The idea is nice tho. But what's to stop the average g tree scammer from borrowing someone else's number - I've heard that already happens with microchip numbers. And suppose a would be puppy buyer is looking at a nice puppy ad with the dogs nsw membership number and they ring up dogs nsw to confirm that the number matches the details on the ad - ie that the number belongs to someone who is a registered breeder of that breed and the parent dogs and puppies are registered... I tried to get info on a prefix for a poodle breeder one time - and dogs sa would not confirm or deny that it was a valid prefix with a current member for "privacy reasons" so I can't see how it does anyone any good if they don't have a process in place for puppy buyers to verify the number and breeder details with dogs nsw if they want to. And then you'd have to get - first - agreement for some breeder details to be shared ie not private - between dogs nsw and the breeders... I think dogs NSW imposing such a request without written agreement from every member breeder who wants to advertise a dog - that some of their details are not private any more. And it could also be a restraint of trade. Just guessing - I'm not a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 Who is to say Im a registered breeder if I dont say I am in the ad anyway. Had a discussion of a real life situation in the last 10 days .Breeder has a litter of puppies -two are not up to her standard so she doesn't want to put her name on them so she doesn't register two and sells them off without papers via a website classified - never says she is a registered breeder simply sells them without papers - it wont stop this kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 Also have to say that its not very acceptable that the way most of us found out about this is via Troy rather than via our membership - not all of us visit facebook pages of board members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) It was in the Dogs NSW gazette when it was brought in, though I do agree that a better publicity campaign to introduce it to members would have been more than useful. You are right that there is no state govt license requirement currently. Though it was a recommendation of the companion animal taskforce that was 'supported in principle'/'supported' by the Govt (see in particular recommendation 1* and 3*): http://www.dlg.nsw.g...mmendations.pdf Dogs NSW is being proactive in introducing this requirement (and others such as tighter requirements for those applying for a prefix, including inspection of premises) to try and show that our members don't need an additional state run breeder licensing system (which will mean additional fees and additional regulation including perhaps 'home visits' by councils or other bodies who will be brought in to manage breeder licensing). It is not perfect, but I do understand and support the reasons it is being done. Edited August 12, 2014 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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