tdierikx Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 3. When was it's last worming before you brought it home? No answer to op but am curious as to how the above would be relevant to parvo ? PS Hope your puppy is ok now & has responded well to treatment. Sometimes if a pup has a heavy worm load when it's wormed, it can produce symptoms not unlike those of early stage Parvo - diarrhoea, lethargy, etc... and in some extreme cases, the pup can die from the worming treatment. Transport companies do their utmost to minimise the risk, but there is still a chance for disease transmission - handling policies aren't always totally sterile, even though they may sterilise the actual transport crates. I can guarantee you that staff moving the animals about aren't washing their hands before and after handling each animal. This is not a condemnation of the transport companies - just saying how it actually is. I'd be a little miffed if the breeder hadn't contacted me back after being made aware of the situation a week ago... but that doesn't necessarily mean that the pup contracted the disease under their care either. More like the breeder is in shock and is contacting other families who have received littermates of the OP's pup and making sure they are all OK - especially if they were transported within similar timeframes and/or by the same transport company. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 What did the vet say? According to the OP, the vet diagnosed and treated for Parvo... to the tune of a $1400 vet bill. T. I meant what did the vet say re the incubation period. I would have thought the vet, after treating the pup, knowing the size, progress of the symptoms etc may have the best knowledge and information to estimate the possible incubation period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davext Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 The vet said the incubation period could take up to a week or more and as the more physical signs were now showing 12 hrs later (i picked pup from the airport at 6.30 PM ) the following morning she had Diarrhoea and only picked a little of her food, i can only assume she contracted it before i received her .i am! to say the least a little dissapointed the breeder has not replied to my emails since i informed them so as they could check in case any other dogs in their care were showing symptoms (as 6 pups had been imported from NZ in 2 cages ) i have been looking into where i go from here and it seems i may have some redress according to Consumer Affairs Davext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I am somewhat confused here Davext. Was the puppy imported from NZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davext Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 Yes was imported from NZ to Brisbane then spent 4/5 days at breeders , then flown to perth then on to Broome thats why i first thought the sympton were down toall the travellingDavext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 So infact the pup could have come over with it from NZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallomph Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 So infact the pup could have come over with it from NZ Yep, or could have picked it up anywhere along the long string of flights, airports, transport vehicles he had been in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davext Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 Yes i also agree, but my point is that i received the dog with the Parvovirus,Davext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I'm lost... davext, if the puppy can be proven to have contracted Parvo prior to you taking delivery (seems likely it did, but not sure this can be proven, but for the sake of this question, let's just say it can be proven) whom do you believe is negligent? Genuine question :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Davext please can we clarify something else - the person in Brisbane cannot be cited as the "breeder" as the pups were clearly bred in NZ. The Breeder is the person who is the registered owner of the bitch at the time of whelping. So where is the breeder registered? and what relationship does he/she have to the people in Brisbane? Edited August 7, 2014 by JRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Davext please can we clarify something else - the person in Brisbane cannot be cited as the "breeder" as the pups were clearly bred in NZ. The Breeder is the person who is the registered owner of the bitch at the time of whelping. So where is the breeder registered? and what relationship does he/she have to the people in Brisbane? Yeh, sounds like the person in Brisbane is a puppy agent..... Unless the breeder is the person in Brisbane and the bitch and/or puppies went over to NZ for "other" reasons.... just trying to piece it all together. Certainly hope the puppy has a full and speedy recovery :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Maybe this is a case of a bitch being sent to NZ for whelping so pups could be docked? I don't have that sort of breed so I am only going on what I have heard happens or used to happen. That is the only case off the top of my head where I can see the local person considering themselves the breeder rather than a broker. Unless they own the sire and consider it a co-bred litter with whoever is in NZ. Quite confusing, and it opens up lots of opportunities for the little pup to have contracted the virus. In any case, the person should have replied to you by now. efs Edited August 7, 2014 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davext Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 Well, breeder is in Brisbane /but i gather also inNZ pups born in NZ then shipped over ,i assume they are in a partnership arrangement , as for whom is at fault weather it was during flights /transporting/INZ/or at breeders does not really matter, when an item (the pup ) is sold it should be not in need of repair /Your entitled remedy will depend on the issue and whether the problem can be classified as major or minor. Effectively, a major problem is when you wouldn’t have bought the pet if you had known the nature and extent of the problem prior to purchase; for example, an animal has a terminal or serious health issue. In this case, the consumer has the right to choose which remedy the seller will provide. This will either be to: – have the problem with your pet corrected for example, with veterinary treatment and/or medication; – return your pet to the seller and have it replaced with another one; or – return your pet to the seller and have your money refunded. so i feel the breeder was not negligent ,but should bear the responsibilty of the cost of making good the item (i dont like refering to my pup as an item but i am afraid thats how legal ppl will ) the breeder has since contacted me , and feels the vet i used may have misdiagnosed the symptoms so is checking with her vet , the treatment that was given to the pup Davext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Oh I agree, if the pup was sick when it arrived you are entitled to some remedy, whether parvo or not. If I was the breeder/broker my driving thought would be if any others in the litter are sick and getting them checked on and into vet care if needed. I hope if the pup contracted the disease in NZ no other pups beyond that litter were on the flight. Parvo is such a horrible disease. Edited August 7, 2014 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davext Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Yes that was my first thoughts , and emailed the breeder immediatly seemingly the other pups are ok Davext Edited August 7, 2014 by davext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 What did the vet say? According to the OP, the vet diagnosed and treated for Parvo... to the tune of a $1400 vet bill. T. I meant what did the vet say re the incubation period. I would have thought the vet, after treating the pup, knowing the size, progress of the symptoms etc may have the best knowledge and information to estimate the possible incubation period Vets don't have a crystal ball - there is no way on the planet any vet worth his/her salt would specify that sort of thing. Parvo can have an incubation period from 2 to 14 days, depending on all sorts of other external factors, not all of which the vet would be privy to. Some vets also haven't seen many cases of Parvo, and may not be terribly au fait with the latest strains, etc... the treatment is the same no matter which strain, but the incubation period can vary a lot. What a vet will say in conversation to a puppy owner, and what they will actually put in writing so said puppy owner can chase someone else for a refund for vet bills, are usually 2 completely different things. In this case - and based only on more detail that has now come to light - the most likely place the pup contracted whatever made it sick is the place it was held for 4-5 days prior to being shipped onwards to the new owner.... but it still could also have contracted it at any stage of the transport over from NZ - or from Brisbane to Broome for that matter... Davext - did the vet do an actual Parvo test, and show you the positive result? There are other diseases that do present very similarly to Parvo, but are somewhat less scary to deal with. What has the vet advised you about quarantine for your pup now that it's been diagnosed and treated for Parvo? Has he/she explained that you will need to be very careful about where your pup defecates for the next 4-6 weeks - the fact that even though your pup has been treated and is on the mend, it can still shed the virus via it's poo for at least the next 4-6 weeks - and that wherever you pup has pooped can stay infected for up to 18 months if not cleaned properly... oh, and if your pup has pooped in your yard, you can't clean that with any substance that will kill the virus in the soil, so you have an infected yard for the next 12 to 18 months, and any unvaccinated dog/pup coming into your yard could possibly become infected and get sick too now... However, if your pup had something other than Parvo - say Coronavirus - then the repercussions are a hell of a lot less severe. It all rides on whether your vet actually did a Parvo test that came up positive before declaring that said pup had Parvo. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davext Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 Davext please can we clarify something else - the person in Brisbane cannot be cited as the "breeder" as the pups were clearly bred in NZ. The Breeder is the person who is the registered owner of the bitch at the time of whelping. So where is the breeder registered? and what relationship does he/she have to the people in Brisbane? Yeh, sounds like the person in Brisbane is a puppy agent..... Unless the breeder is the person in Brisbane and the bitch and/or puppies went over to NZ for "other" reasons.... just trying to piece it all together. Certainly hope the puppy has a full and speedy recovery :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davext Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) The OZ/NZ breeders are incorporated , and i was there when the vet done the Parvo test and the vet did tell me to treat all areas with bleach where the dog had been lucky it had not been out of the house / yard so was fairly easy , and had all the yard sprayed as well, difficult part now is following her around to treat areas she has pooped full time job Davext Edited August 7, 2014 by davext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 The fact remains that even though you sprayed the yard, it will still be contaminated for 12 months or more. Parvo is a complete bitch to kill when it's hit a porous surface like unsealed concrete or wood, or soil. Do not allow anyone to bring an unvaccinated dog or small puppy to your place for at least 12 months, OK? Do not take your pup anywhere outside your house/yard for at least the next 6 weeks either, as it will still be shedding the disease through it's faeces for that amount of time. You certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for anyone else having to go through what you've been through, would you? T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davext Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 Yes T i agree entirely there is no easy fix with this virus Davext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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