raineth Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I had a quick google and couldn't find what I was after... so I'm asking here :) In Dalmatians, is the heaviness/lightness of the spotting inherited, or is it random? i.e. if two heavily spotted Dals were bred, would most of those puppies also end up heavily spotted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I had a quick google and couldn't find what I was after... so I'm asking here :) In Dalmatians, is the heaviness/lightness of the spotting inherited, or is it random? i.e. if two heavily spotted Dals were bred, would most of those puppies also end up heavily spotted? Very difficult question to answer - I have heard that there are some in utero effects (which may also influence pigmentation in the inner ear and therefore deafness) but I'm sure there are some direct genetic effects. Another problem is that pups are born white and it is very difficult to know what their spotting will be like when you see them at 6-8 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Wow that is interesting! I thought it would be a simple matter, but it sounds influenced by several things. Yes I can see how it could be harder to keep track of considering the pups often aren't fully spotted before they leave the breeder. Thanks for you answer TSD :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 My pleasure. It's also interesting that spotting (like any markings) can really change your perception of structure too. Ziggy is moderately spotted (which I like) - having spent time with his breeders' dogs and seeing lots of photos of their dogs from babies to adults Zig's spotting turned out pretty much as I'd hoped -although it was the last thing that made me choose him (I was fortunate enough to have pick from 9). Gratuitous opportunity to post cute puppy pics… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Ziggy is just lovely :) that's a good series of photos to see the evolution of Zig's spots. I know what you mean about the spotting almost creating a visual illusion, the same can happen with harlequin Danes :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Must not look… can't get one yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentchild Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Ugh the photos..... struck my weak spot... my love for Dalmatians! Soooo gorgeous. Someday, someday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Must not look… can't get one yet... My friends are getting one, so I get to have baby dally cuddles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Must not look… can't get one yet... My friends are getting one, so I get to have baby dally cuddles Oh very lucky! Dotdashdot might join in the conversation later. Her liver girls spots have changed heaps as she's grown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Ah that's interesting, I'd be interested to know how long they keep changing for. While I'm at it, I thought I'd check that BAER testing seems to be the standard for Dals? They don't need hip and elbow scoring for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Ah that's interesting, I'd be interested to know how long they keep changing for. While I'm at it, I thought I'd check that BAER testing seems to be the standard for Dals? They don't need hip and elbow scoring for instance? I reckon Zig's continued to change subtly until he was around 18 months of age. BAER is really important - not just of the pups but knowing the history as well. However! Finding a vet with a functional BAER machine is a whole other story!!! If breeders don't BAER test I would want to know why. Hips and elbows don't seem to pop up all that often from what I've seen - some breeders test, some don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Must not look… can't get one yet... Ugh the photos..... struck my weak spot... my love for Dalmatians! Soooo gorgeous. Someday, someday... It's our evil plan….WORLD DOMINATION SPOTIFICATION! Such fun dogs although I should dig out some old stories to remind you why my DOL name is "The Spotted Devil" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotdashdot Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 the light/heavy of spotting does seem to be random, BUT from what I've seen, most breeders wouldn't breed a very light to another very light or vice versa. The breeder of my Nala kept Nala's sister because she wanted "more pigment" and I wanted a more moderate pattern. When looking at a dal pup, you are not seeing the full picture, those spots grow and grow and new spots appear and what looked moderate in a 6 week old can be fairly heavy in an adult. Re. BAER, would never go with a breeder that didn't do it. For me when I breed this will mean travelling up to 5 hours with baby puppies but the things we do hey. I am also planning on testing as many things as I can, hips/elbows, thyroid and other DNA tests. I plan on being fully transparent and don't want to say "it hasn't happened in my lines so I don't test" as some do. Let your friend know that there is a great FB page for Dalmatian owners/adorers/slaves called Dalmatians of Australia and New Zealand which is great for dal specific stuff (diet is the most important, scary how many people don't realize) AND PICTURE TIME!! (Love little Ziggy btw!) about 6 weeks... 12 weeks I think... 5 months... my two side by side....I will also post a photo of a little Cleo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Stop looking Lisa you can't have one… yet. Edited July 24, 2014 by LisaCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotdashdot Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 just hold off until early 2016 and you can have a Nala baby :provoke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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raineth Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Must not look… can't get one yet... Ugh the photos..... struck my weak spot... my love for Dalmatians! Soooo gorgeous. Someday, someday... It's our evil plan….WORLD DOMINATION SPOTIFICATION! Such fun dogs although I should dig out some old stories to remind you why my DOL name is "The Spotted Devil" Yes please! I want Spotted Devil stories!!! the light/heavy of spotting does seem to be random, BUT from what I've seen, most breeders wouldn't breed a very light to another very light or vice versa. The breeder of my Nala kept Nala's sister because she wanted "more pigment" and I wanted a more moderate pattern. When looking at a dal pup, you are not seeing the full picture, those spots grow and grow and new spots appear and what looked moderate in a 6 week old can be fairly heavy in an adult. Re. BAER, would never go with a breeder that didn't do it. For me when I breed this will mean travelling up to 5 hours with baby puppies but the things we do hey. I am also planning on testing as many things as I can, hips/elbows, thyroid and other DNA tests. I plan on being fully transparent and don't want to say "it hasn't happened in my lines so I don't test" as some do. Let your friend know that there is a great FB page for Dalmatian owners/adorers/slaves called Dalmatians of Australia and New Zealand which is great for dal specific stuff (diet is the most important, scary how many people don't realize) AND PICTURE TIME!! (Love little Ziggy btw!) about 6 weeks... 12 weeks I think... 5 months... my two side by side....I will also post a photo of a little Cleo Thanks for the info and the photos dotdashdot! Very insightful :) They do already have a ped Dal, so they are clued in with the diet thankfully. I love how Dals keep getting more at a over their first year or so of life, I would never have guessed! And where the spots are on the dog, is that random too? So hang on, Nala is your liver spot, and Cleo is the black spotted? They are both very beautiful :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Triple squuuuueeeeeees. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) dotdadhdot, am I correct in saying that your black spotted dally would not be acceptable/ideal for the show ring because some of her markings (ears & throat) are too heavy? Blotches rather than spots. I love the baby photos. Oh the others are nice too. LOL Edited July 26, 2014 by Airedaler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrin Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Edited July 26, 2014 by perrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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