persephone Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I guess if the breeder was intending on letting the pups show they'd hang onto them for a bit to see if it corrected itself before registering them. I doubt it - most experienced breeders would either know , or get specialist advice - and take it from there. if you can breed something with all its bits made how they should be - why would you keep something that has a perceived problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I doubt it - most experienced breeders would either know , or get specialist advice - and take it from there. if you can breed something with all its bits made how they should be - why would you keep something that has a perceived problem? Well sure if you knew confidently it wouldn't correct itself, but if it was only slightly out at the time and you were pretty confident it'd fix itself after some time. I dunno, just speculating :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotdashdot Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I doubt it - most experienced breeders would either know , or get specialist advice - and take it from there. if you can breed something with all its bits made how they should be - why would you keep something that has a perceived problem? Well sure if you knew confidently it wouldn't correct itself, but if it was only slightly out at the time and you were pretty confident it'd fix itself after some time. I dunno, just speculating :) I wouldn't take it on as i'd be concerned that it could be a trait that would be passed on, and that would be undesirable. I show one of my dogs for fun, as a neuter (so obviously no breeding happening there) and although she is not being bred from, she fits the standard and has no serious faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I wouldn't take it on as i'd be concerned that it could be a trait that would be passed on, and that would be undesirable. I show one of my dogs for fun, as a neuter (so obviously no breeding happening there) and although she is not being bred from, she fits the standard and has no serious faults. Yeah, like I said I probably wouldn't breed said dog at the risk of passing it on, but like in your case you could show just for fun. Then again I don't know if there's different "categories" that could allow a dog for showing, but not breeding (if the owner chose not to neuter, that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thats what I'm thinking of doing DdD. Getting a showie as you have so I can show in neutered classes. As a newbie to the show world I thought that may be a good place to start. And yes an over shot pup is a genetic fault & I believe would possibly either have a bigger risk of throwing over pup or that their puppies may throw an overshot. No, definitely not worth the risk. By the way it is quite rare in BC's I'm told. Unsure about other breeds though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I really have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm just curious :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I guess if the breeder was intending on letting the pups show they'd hang onto them for a bit to see if it corrected itself before registering them. May take up to a year depending on the breed for correction, if at all. Few breeders will run such puppies on. Just for fun is not what breeders do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I really have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm just curious :D Clearly. Anyone with a main registered dog can show that dog. One does not have to breed. Classes at shows are for exhibition/competition there are not separate classes "for fun". To take on a dog with an obvious major fault in the hope that fault will come good is silly if you know you want to show. Incorrect bites are probably one fault where it is -in my experience- almost impossible to win with. Why? Probably because it is so obvious. The OP has expressed an interest in showing her new dog, therefore in my opinion she should not buy this pup with an incorrect mouth because it probably will not improve enough to ever be right and could in fact deteriorate. They would be much better off buying a "show prospect" pup even if they had to wait for it. IF they did not want to show then there would be no issue with buying the pup. If she/he bought it on the limited register and the mouth did come good in time the breeder could be approached and asked to move the dog from the limited register to the main register and the OP could then show the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Things,as soon as you open a puppy mouth who is overshot, you know something is not quite right. It's top set of teeth don't match exactly up with it's bottom set. Eg. Like a person with buck teeth is you will. But to look at the puppy from a distance you can't tell the difference at all. Airedaler, I have never heard of an overshots mouth deteriorating . I did a tonne of research into it naturally as I have 2 of them. I wanted to know if it can effect them in any way. So far it hasn't hindered either of mine in normal day to day living at all & their bites certainly haven't deteriorated. Interesting though. I agree, if I were the OP I wouldn't buy this puppy either. Vizsla, You are exactly right... breeder just don't do it for fun one bit. To an experienced breeder it is VERY serious business. No time for "maybe's" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotdashdot Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thats what I'm thinking of doing DdD. Getting a showie as you have so I can show in neutered classes. As a newbie to the show world I thought that may be a good place to start. And yes an over shot pup is a genetic fault & I believe would possibly either have a bigger risk of throwing over pup or that their puppies may throw an overshot. No, definitely not worth the risk. By the way it is quite rare in BC's I'm told. Unsure about other breeds though. It is a lot of fun, not quite as serious but I will say that I was hooked and HAD to get another pup to show in normal classes. My way of looking at it Things is that showing is for showing dogs that would be a breeding prospect. To me, my neuter girl is good but I wasn't ready to breed at that point and she wasn't intended to be my show dog originally (I started showing her at 6 months) so she's desexed. It may be called a beauty pageant by some, but it really considers their structure and how they "conform" to the standard. It's also a place where people can see different "lines" of dogs and if I saw a dog with an incorrect bite being shown, I would question that (or any other obvious fault) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melsmells Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Sorry to clarify, this pup is MAINS registered I do NOT intend to breed with him, I asked that he be mains registered so I could show him up until 2 years when I plan on desexing him I have signed a lengthy contract, earlier last week, the breeder told me Friday about the jaw I have no interest in naming the breeder, or running down the breeder at all My question was to people experienced with THIS BREED if the jaw is in fact likely to correct itself. I had hoped to show the pup almost immediately I have contacted the Dogue club of NSW and also sent out an enquiry to a friend who shows/breeders another breed, to ask her Judge friend out this also I am simply trying to establish whether I should continue on with the purchase or back out at this time since disclosure of this problem came about so late (better late than never I guess) Edited July 20, 2014 by Melsmells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melsmells Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 And just to add, to risk further speculation, I have researched this breed and breeders quite a bit. It wasnt a decision made last week upon being given a photo of a cute puppy. I have done much research on desexing ages, reading studies, some stuff here, and was determined NOT to desex this dog prior to 18 months only. (In fact some breeders prefer not to desex at all unless there are behavioural issues, but thats a whole other topic) I am not familar, nor can find any decent information online about the skeletal growth of the breed and the true likihood this is going to correct. In my mind I think I have to let the pup go and get a full refund Thank you all for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Oh I wasn't saying breeding was for fun, I was saying showing the dog. Showing isn't my thing but I had some questions anyway :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I am not experienced with this breed, but in mine a slightly overshot puppy may correct to a scissor as the lower jaw seems to grow last. I might take a chance on slightly over shot if scissor was what I was after as an adult. But I would not take a chance on overshot correcting all the way to the desired undershot in your breed. Not if you are set on showing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 melsmells - FWIW , I think your decision is a wise one at this stage . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) I too 2nd that Persephone. Very wise decision Melsmells. Excellent call :) Edited July 20, 2014 by BC Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melsmells Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thank you persephone We lost our Male Boxer 5 years ago, the decision to get another dog has not been taken lightly or without as much research as a newby to the breed can do. I am BEYOND upset about this, as I had already opened my heart to this wonderful boy even before meeting him But I think in my heart of hearts, I would be a fool to continue on buying this pup as a show prospect with such a fault. Many thanks to everyone, and fingers crossed for an easy withdrawal of sale and quick return of my money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I not for a moment thought you'd entered into this lightly Mells. You must be extremely upset this puppy just hasn't worked out for you. In your heart of heart's you have made the right decision. As hard as it is. I'm very sure there is another, 'show quality' puppy out there with your name on it. I wish you all the best & much success in the Show ring. You must keep us posted with that. Good luck with those 'loose ends' you have to tie up with this current breeder. I wish you well :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melsmells Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thank you BC Crazy, for all your help and kind words Hopefully in the not too distant future I can make a thread introducing my new DDB puppy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Things,as soon as you open a puppy mouth who is overshot, you know something is not quite right. It's top set of teeth don't match exactly up with it's bottom set. Eg. Like a person with buck teeth is you will. But to look at the puppy from a distance you can't tell the difference at all. Airedaler, I have never heard of an overshots mouth deteriorating . I did a tonne of research into it naturally as I have 2 of them. I wanted to know if it can effect them in any way. So far it hasn't hindered either of mine in normal day to day living at all & their bites certainly haven't deteriorated. Interesting though. I agree, if I were the OP I wouldn't buy this puppy either. Retrieved from notes. http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/dog-malocclusions :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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