aussielover Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Just wondering if anyone has tried the new Hills metabolic diet for weight loss in dogs or cats? Trying to work out whether to change our food for weight clinics or not. Have heard positive reviews about the new metabolic food- apparently you don't have to be quite as strict with this particular food? Most of the negatives I've heard about is that it is expensive, the kibble is quite big and that it causes copious smelly poos. Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 IS there some reason you can't just put 10% less in the dog's bowl and top up with raw carrots if it complains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Chicken By-Product Meal, Whole Grain Wheat, Whole Grain Corn, Corn Gluten Meal, Pea Bran Meal, Soybean Mill Run, Soybean Meal, Dried Tomato Pomace, Chicken Liver Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp, Flaxseed, Coconut Oil, Pork Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Lactic Acid, Powdered Cellulose, Pork Liver Flavor, DL-Methionine, L-Lysine, Iodized Salt, Dried Carrots, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Lipoic Acid, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Choline Chloride, minerals (Manganese Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, L-Carnitine, Mixed Tocopherols added to retain freshness, Citric Acid added to retain freshness, Beta-Carotene, Phosphoric Acid, Rosemary Extract. Wow look at all those fillers. All those carbs are sure to knock the weight off ... Two meals a day, breakfast is one cup of lean raw red meat mixed with veg like carrot, zuchinni, cauli (tip, get the home brand winter veg frozen pack)cooked up, 50/50 ratio. Dinner is a big raw carrot. Add in a good vitamin powder like Vets All Natural Health Booster or the sorts with breakfast. If he doesnt lose weight on that I'll eat my hat. When he's lost the body fat up the meat to something fattier and more protein to build up the muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) i don't understand - why don't owners just feed the dog 1/3, or 1/2 less of normal food ? It'd work fine ..AND cost an awful lost less ;) Edited July 18, 2014 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) I have no idea either- but for the sake of the dog sometimes you need to work out a way to make the owner compliant, even if it means opting for different food and is more expensive than just decreasing rations. Aussielover mentioned this is for weight clinics so for dogs who's owners have struggled in the first place and need a helping hand to keep their dog at a healthy weight. Sorry no experience but watching with interest- because I know a few people who are serial treat givers etc that might benefit from a pre made commercial product like this. i.e. clients with compliance issues who's dogs are the ones that suffer. Edited July 18, 2014 by Jumabaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Ta, Jumabaar ... that makes sense folks would feel they were still feeding enough. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 i don't understand - why don't owners just feed the dog 1/3, or 1/2 less of normal food ? It'd work fine ..AND cost an awful lost less ;) The problem is, it doesn't seem to work fine. :p Obesity in pets is often multi-faceted. If you create a dog that is hungry all the time because it's meal has been cut dramatically, it's not sustainable for the owners who gave them way too much in the first place. The diet becomes 'cruel' and they feel awful about it and it fails. I don't know what the answer is b/c we never had much luck with compliance. On a science base RC Obesity seems the best in quality and the fact that it has L-Carnitine and ingredients that promote satiety...however I think they stuffed the marketing by naming it Obesity. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 i don't understand - why don't owners just feed the dog 1/3, or 1/2 less of normal food ? It'd work fine ..AND cost an awful lost less ;) The problem is, it doesn't seem to work fine. :p Obesity in pets is often multi-faceted. If you create a dog that is hungry all the time because it's meal has been cut dramatically, it's not sustainable for the owners who gave them way too much in the first place. The diet becomes 'cruel' and they feel awful about it and it fails. I don't know what the answer is b/c we never had much luck with compliance. On a science base RC Obesity seems the best in quality and the fact that it has L-Carnitine and ingredients that promote satiety...however I think they stuffed the marketing by naming it Obesity. :laugh: Couldn't agree more about RC Obesity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Looks similar to the teeth formula that did cause poo issues for Poppy. BTW a lot of the ingredients that look like carbs are actually there as high digestible protein sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Ta, Jumabaar ... that makes sense folks would feel they were still feeding enough. :) Having watched a CKCS being over-feed for too long by her well meaning human, I think it is a mind-set with them. Once the Vet gave the human the labelled food that would do the miracle, weight loss was attainable. Yet the same gal could stay with me and eat RAW & lose weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Staffntoller answered perfectly. If it was as easy as reducing quantity, adding veges etc then there would not be so many fat dogs. ..........actually the same applies to humans, if I could just reduce my calorie intake I would not be fat either.... but I am because I don't . That being said, the vet practice I work at have had best results with RC Obesity. Yes, it is expensive but sometimes once a client commits to something like this they can be more determined to make it work. It is much higher in protein than most commercial 'diet' foods and does help a lot with satiety..... and no, I am not a RC rep ! Edited July 19, 2014 by seregil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodoggies2001 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 IS there some reason you can't just put 10% less in the dog's bowl and top up with raw carrots if it complains? I second that. Some people fall into the mistaken misconception that because the food is lower in calorie, they can feed more. Just cut down on the quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 i don't understand - why don't owners just feed the dog 1/3, or 1/2 less of normal food ? It'd work fine ..AND cost an awful lost less ;) The problem is, it doesn't seem to work fine. :p Obesity in pets is often multi-faceted. If you create a dog that is hungry all the time because it's meal has been cut dramatically, it's not sustainable for the owners who gave them way too much in the first place. The diet becomes 'cruel' and they feel awful about it and it fails. I don't know what the answer is b/c we never had much luck with compliance. On a science base RC Obesity seems the best in quality and the fact that it has L-Carnitine and ingredients that promote satiety...however I think they stuffed the marketing by naming it Obesity. :laugh: I've had the same issue with RC obesity, people don't like paying for a product that is reminding them their pet is obese! Or they think its only for really obese dogs. I gave my dog some of the metabolic food yesterday and she spewed and had diarrhoea. She doesn't normally have a sensitive stomach and eats a variety of raw foods, but its been a while since she has had kibble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 i don't understand - why don't owners just feed the dog 1/3, or 1/2 less of normal food ? It'd work fine ..AND cost an awful lost less ;) The problem is, it doesn't seem to work fine. :p Obesity in pets is often multi-faceted. If you create a dog that is hungry all the time because it's meal has been cut dramatically, it's not sustainable for the owners who gave them way too much in the first place. The diet becomes 'cruel' and they feel awful about it and it fails. I don't know what the answer is b/c we never had much luck with compliance. On a science base RC Obesity seems the best in quality and the fact that it has L-Carnitine and ingredients that promote satiety...however I think they stuffed the marketing by naming it Obesity. :laugh: I've had the same issue with RC obesity, people don't like paying for a product that is reminding them their pet is obese! Or they think its only for really obese dogs. I gave my dog some of the metabolic food yesterday and she spewed and had diarrhoea. She doesn't normally have a sensitive stomach and eats a variety of raw foods, but its been a while since she has had kibble. ;) one way to lose weight , I guess .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) BTW a lot of the ingredients that look like carbs are actually there as high digestible protein sources. I suppose when your primary meat source is chicken byproduct meal you need something in there to validate it as more then chicken food. Hills was started by a veterinarian in the 1920s, in the 70s it was bought by Colgate Palmolive. They've also received FDA warnings http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm281270.htm And as much as we all hate Pedigree, look at their 'diet' formula ... It's not that far removed for something 5-6 times the price. Dogs cant digest sorghum. Wheat, corn and soy is abundant and pathetically cheap in manufacturers country of origin. Pea bran and beet pulp are ruminant/horse feed. They take an animal of that size with specialised bacteria to actually utilise it and not just plop it out the back end. A kilo of raw carrots are $1. I dont even want to think of the cost of a bag of this. People can be taught self control, there are ways and means to do it to keep both owner and dog happy. Edited July 19, 2014 by Nekhbet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temperamentfirst Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 We simply replace the dry food with cooked pumpkin and roast cabbage. Much better for the dog, and the hip pocket :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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