Steve Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Heads Up Discussion group has been called and discussion paper is available Seems to be a pretty good kept secret but Victoria are seriously looking at restricting the breeding of brachycephalic dogs and cats Cant find he paper on line but if anyone wants a look I can email it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinabean Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Hi Steve, I will PM you my email address, I definitely would like to see the discussion paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Me too please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I would be interested in the paper too thanks Steve. My Cavaliers are considered to be a brachycephalic breed in some quarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Heads Up Discussion group has been called and discussion paper is available Seems to be a pretty good kept secret but Victoria are seriously looking at restricting the breeding of brachycephalic dogs and cats Cant find he paper on line but if anyone wants a look I can email it. do you know what the motivation for this would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffy Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Can you email it to me please Steve, I will send you a pm with the address Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph M Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Great, let's penalise those who do the right things some more and drive (the already BYB favoured) brachy breed breeding further underground. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Quote from the paper - Brachycephalic dogs are those dogs with a wide and short head.3 Brachycephalic breeds include the Pug, French Bulldog, English Bulldog, Boxer, Boston Terrier and Pekingese. Brachycephalic dogs are increasingly popular, two brachycephalic breeds (Pug and Cavalier King Charles Spaniel*) were among the top ten pedigree dog breeds listed in the 2012 Australian National Kennel Club (ANKC) registration statistics.22 Registrations for breeds such as the French Bulldog and Boston Terrier have doubled between 2008 and 2012.22 The significance of the deleterious impact on the health and welfare of brachycephalic head shape is widely supported in the veterinary/welfare literature. ï‚· In Australia although the exact prevalence of disease associated with brachycephaly is unknown it is likely to be a significant problem owing to the popularity of brachycephalic breeds Edited July 3, 2014 by Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Steve, I tried to PM you my email address but your inbox is full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpette Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 This is the AVA's reply http://www.ava.com.au/sites/default/files/AVA_website/Brachycephalic%20in%20dogs%20and%20cats%20-%20DEPI%204%20June%202014.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 This is the AVA's reply http://www.ava.com.au/sites/default/files/AVA_website/Brachycephalic%20in%20dogs%20and%20cats%20-%20DEPI%204%20June%202014.pdf Seems like a constructive and realistic position from the VIC AVA, though it would be good to see the discussion paper it was written to address. This is more trait-specific than breed specific, and unlike the usual BS BSL, it addresses real health concerns. I wish breed clubs and the kennel clubs would take stronger stands to discourage extreme conformations with bad health implications, as opposed to titling flat faced dogs over those with some muzzle. If clubs and judges did more to curb breeding for fashion rather than function, there would be no call for legislative action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) I'd be interested in any material you come across, Julie. I agree with sandgrubber's comment re: the AVA's response being realistic. There is a need to look at the issue and education would be a key to resolving some of the problems we see in brachycephalics. Edited July 3, 2014 by ~Anne~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Well, we have known this was coming for years. I would like to see VicDogs response, assuming there is one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I would be interested in the paper too thanks Steve. My Cavaliers are considered to be a brachycephalic breed in some quarters. What????? Load of tosh. Think there is becoming a greater need for people to stand to fight this idiocy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) I would be interested in the paper too thanks Steve. My Cavaliers are considered to be a brachycephalic breed in some quarters. What????? Load of tosh. Think there is becoming a greater need for people to stand to fight this idiocy Mesocephalic I think, not brachycephalic. The term "cephalic" is actually an index used to measure head/skull measurement (width by length). Brachy is short, meso is medium. A Cav would be mesocephalic I believe although I am far from expert on how the measurements are determined. Edited July 3, 2014 by ~Anne~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 In the summary posted above it does mention cabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Cavs sorry... Autocorrect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Cavs are one of the breeds cited in the discussion paper for brachy head and syringomyelia. Personally I cant see how its going to be held back but I dont think its going to happen overnight. Several problems associated with the whole thing - on one hand the purebred dog world have to be seen to be doing something to address it and so far there isnt much to show. Large consequences for the breeds no matter what comes next. and I do think it will be eventually legislated in Victoria if they continue as they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I would be interested in the paper too thanks Steve. My Cavaliers are considered to be a brachycephalic breed in some quarters. What????? Load of tosh. Think there is becoming a greater need for people to stand to fight this idiocy Mesocephalic I think, not brachycephalic. The term "cephalic" is actually an index used to measure head/skull measurement (width by length). Brachy is short, meso is medium. A Cav would be mesocephalic I believe although I am far from expert on how the measurements are determined. Of course, cavs are savage beasts..... death by licking is so painful from a cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) I would be interested in the paper too thanks Steve. My Cavaliers are considered to be a brachycephalic breed in some quarters. Mesocephalic I think, not brachycephalic. The term "cephalic" is actually an index used to measure head/skull measurement (width by length). Brachy is short, meso is medium. A Cav would be mesocephalic I believe although I am far from expert on how the measurements are determined. Some Cavaliers are Brachycephalic. I have two Cavaliers, both are registered dogs. One certainly does fit the description of a brachycephalic dog, going by the width/length definition. The other dog has a longer muzzle and does not fit the description of being brachycephalic. Irrespective of your opinion or mine on whether or not the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel is a brachycephalic breed it is classified as being so and is definitely in the firing line. Did you read the reply from The Australian Veterinary Association Ltd? They list the CKCS breed as a brachycephalic breed. Edited July 5, 2014 by cavNrott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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