persephone Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 a real forum *sigh* D O L is full of people , from all walks of life . There is discussion, debate , exchange of ideas , and negotiation . There is sharing, support, comparison ,and argument. Certainly sounds like a REAL forum to me ;) if you need to discuss things from a scientific /analytical P O V - perhaps somewhere else may be more suited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootMarty Posted June 29, 2014 Author Share Posted June 29, 2014 Wow, ShootMarty you are really into researching this to the nth degree! Some journals that might be of use to you to develop your understanding of the use and dosage of anti-parasitic drugs in dogs: Veterinary Parasitology International Journal for Parasitology Parasitology International Trends in Parasitology The Veterinary Journal To add an extra dimension to your research, consider if Spirometra is an issue in your area and of course paralysis tick. :) lol Thanks, while all this might contain amazing Facts and Proven Science and Theory.. All I'm trying to do is get to the bottom of a myth... True or untrue.... ------------------------------------- Is it fair, or a necessity to double dose my dog every treatment... Would you ask the question, is this avoidable.. What if it were you... Or is the way of thinking a Big Corporation said it was 'Fine'... A lot of people want want keep as many chemicals as they can out of themselves and there loved ones, perhaps even, every body and everything... Yet the question remains.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) A lot of people want want keep as many chemicals as they can out of themselves and there loved ones, perhaps even, every body and everything...Yet the question remains.... ..and if you do searches for topics such as "which heartworm treatment?"in a search engine , adding + Dogzonline - there will probably be some interesting info pop up. Edited June 29, 2014 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Really if you are worried about saving $100 or less a year then you had better rethink this whole dog owning thing. Are you going to let your dog suffer through an illness or accident while you find the cheapest way to get the attention it will need? I agree. ShootMarty there are many things and many expected and unexpected expenses to consider before deciding to take on ownership of a dog. You appear to be obsessing about one element only of dog ownership. ShootMarty: As for why I look for substance in a reply, this is a forum. By definition ( A public meeting place for open discussion. ) Call it etiquette if you will, but in a real ( like meeting hall, coffee and cake type stuff) forum, one discusses why they have the view they hold. Typically a place to air that that view, if done in a public place, one who comes in a makes a statement without sharing the reason why they hold that view, would just be statement, not a discussion. And while I value their input and membership, and their taking the time to show in interest in the topic, substantiated posts with views and their reasoning is infinitely more valuable The members of this forum have no obligation to explain or discuss their reasons for holding a particular view on any subject to you or anyone else. Call it etiquette if you will, but this is a relatively casual, friendly forum where we respect that our fellow members are entitled to their own opinion without the necessity of explanation. We are also for the most part very appreciative of the advice and assistance our fellow members are happy to offer us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootMarty Posted June 29, 2014 Author Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) Thanks persephone.. The 'real forum' may have easily misconstrued, the real life coffee hall and cake was added within minutes.. My apologies for lack of description.. The meaning was meant to imply if we were at such a 'face to face' forum, and someone came in and made an unsubstantiated statement and left, its an inconvenience and interruption at least.. However.... Yes this is the net, with such experienced forum users answering, I incorrectly their posts might have more useful information . I have recommended to double dose by some users here ( perhaps inadvertently ), and want to know they have done so.... Thanks for your comments. As for a few dollars, this could save around $1000.00 over the 1 dog's lifetime.. What if got another dog? Really if you are worried about saving $100 or less a year then you had better rethink this whole dog owning thing. Are you going to let your dog suffer through an illness or accident while you find the cheapest way to get the attention it will need? Its more about double dosing, this is only a benefit.... Edited June 29, 2014 by ShootMarty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 if "double dosing is a real concern - then a university vet clinic , or somewhere that teaches Veterinary Pharmacology may be your best port of call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 ..and yes, this is the net . where those who are not professionals recommend further searches ..and those who are professionals often prefer to NOT divulge things in such a forum , for reasons many & varied ;) humans are funny creatures :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskered Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 "Thanks, while all this might contain amazing Facts and Proven Science and Theory.. All I'm trying to do is get to the bottom of a myth... True or untrue.... ------------------------------------- Is it fair, or a necessity to double dose my dog every treatment... Would you ask the question, is this avoidable.. " That's the point of peer reviewed scientific publications like the journals I suggested. They do seek to provide (substantiated) answers relating to the safety and efficacy of drugs used for canine parasites. I'm sure you will quickly get to the bottom of your myth in the literature if you have a search through it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 There's no need to worm a dog every 3 months, in my opinion it's over kill, you could if you want to or just have a faecal test done. Fleas, I wouldn't worry about unless you see physical sings of flea, scratchy dogs, flea dirt or fleas and then you should treat the environment as well. I always respect your opinion Wreckit but in this case I disagree with waiting for dog/s to become flea infested before treating. I strongly believe prevention is better than cure. Once there is an established flea infestation there will also be tapeworm. It will take quite a sustained effort (and chemicals) to not only rid the dog/s of fleas but to effectively clear the fleas, eggs and immature larvae waiting to hatch in the environment. The dog/s will also need medication to get rid of tapeworm. For tapeworm to be discovered in a fecal test there needs to be a segment present in the feces. Heart worm, unless you are in a heart worm area, with temperatures that allow the life cycle to flourish and have the mosquito's that carry it, is also a waste of time and money.Why put any chemicals on or in your dog that it doesn't need. Keep it simple and treat what you need to. In my area we have mosquitoes and I know of once case of a dog contracting heartworm near this area. I wouldn't take the risk of leaving my dogs unprotected against heartworm in any area where there are any mosquitoes. We can't know if the mosquitoes carry heartworm unless a dog is infested. I have never used flea prevention in the 20 plus years I have owned my own dogs. Look after your yard and you don't need to worry about fleas appearing on the dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 No necessarily, fleas can be picked up from other dogs very easily.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuddleDuck Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 My dogs haven't had fleas in 6-7 years, we got them at our old rental because the neighbours cats were always in our yard but none since we moved here. I don't flea treat unless I see live fleas, and we saved exposing them to a lot of chemicals that way, not to mention a lot of money on the treatments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 No necessarily, fleas can be picked up from other dogs very easily.. My experience says otherwise. Sometimes up to 15 dogs in my yard and house, all exercised and walked off property all shown or raced, local leash free used, contact with other dogs and never a flea infestation. Flea prevention when they are no fleas is simply pumping chemical into a dog that it doesn't need. Call me lucky but I've lived in wide and varied parts of the state over the 20 years and fleas have not been an issue For someone with a toy dog that is likely to spend a lot of time indoors and not socialising with unknown dogs, it's unlikely they will pick up fleas. A coated dog that lives indoors is also unlikely to encounter mosquito's that carry heartworm either. There are far too many people that overkill when it comes to chemicals, none of which are good for your dog and can cause problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darcy&Zoe Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I have a cavalier and started her on heartworm chewable tablets at 4 months I think it was. I give her chewable tablets that were appropriate for her weight each month ... she is currently 5.3kg so I would round it up (never down). I do not use preventative flea treatment unless I believe the dogs have fleas (if they do it only takes a month or two of treatment to get rid of the fleas completely). I see it as necessary to give them flea preventative treatment month after month year round. I do give worming tablets as prescribed for puppies but once in adulthood I dont tend to give it unless their eating habits change (excessive hunger) or signs of worms in their poo (which I have never experienced). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoDi Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I would be interested to know what the People who cut the Chewables in half are using as a method for storage. I know how bad the effects of humidity etc. Can be to an active ingredient once it has been tampered with. If you are looking to use a preventative and you choose to cut down from a larger dosage, even making the assumption that the chew is uniform in its composition, how are you keeping outside variables from degrading the actives? This is probably more relevant for me as I am in North Queensland which suffers from a plentiful supply of Mosquitos and some horrid humidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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