Scottsmum Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Great guide :) I did laugh at the statement estimating the average owner spends approx $1600 per year on their dog... I'd hate to do the math on Scottie. Back on topic... Should I post this poor bubba a kong and some other enrichment toys? Puzzle / kibble ball (I would offend but not to the point of hurting the relationship) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdog Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Is it possible that some toy may make him more fun to play with so the kids get more interested in him? Just a wild idea could you help the kids clicker train him? Kids love making Jake do tricks. Maybe if he had some fun high fives or roll over she might be more attractive to the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsmum Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 The kids are in school / day care / afterschool care / dancing / swimming 5 + days a week and are under 10 and 5 years of age. Responsibility falls squarely on the parents to entertain and enrich this ones life. Will grab some good quality enrichment toys from K9 Pro after the next pay day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdog Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Yea that's too young to try train a pup. Such a shame, pity mum doesn't take the dog with and go walk whilst waiting for kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the Rebel Wolf Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Oh man, I feel sorry for this pup. And I hear you Scottsmum, I hear these type of stories almost on a daily basis as I work in the pet industry and some days I just don't understand people. Actually I do. They're dumbasses. And I get the job of trying to explain why their belongings are being chewed or what to do when they get noise complains and why are their dogs fighting? I can only hope that something that I say will sink in in these cases... if people do not want to change, they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sash Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 This sort of thing makes me so sad and frustrated too. A (now ex) boyfriend of mine bought a Border Collie puppy without the slightest consideration for it's mental wellbeing or the responsibility involved in dog ownership. He works 60 hours a week in the city as well as playing sport, going out drinking and having his child part time. Eg, he had zero time to put into proper training or socialisation of the dog. As a result, it's a yapping overexcited nightmare to take anywhere and he ended up getting a "military dog training expert" (see: lots of shouting, leash yanking and intimidation as "training" methods) to try and fix the dog. Just makes my blood boil talking about it a year later. I think people are either too selfish or too stupid to consider the animals needs when getting a pet. Makes me want to say to them, "Dogs aren't accessories or a part time thing, and if you can't commit to giving them a happy, stable and loved life, you have no business owning one, end of story." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinabean Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I think a lot of people like the idea of owning a dog, - without having a clue about what effort is required. My neighbours have adopted a rescue dog, with the best of intentions I'm sure. But they are finding it hard to make time to walk him. He howls/cries while they're both at work, chews up the kids toys, and pulls the washing off the line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsmum Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Oh. They've owned an ACD before - had enough of an idea ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) I'd stick this on their FB page. (Ian Dunbar: Cute puppy to shelter dog) Edited June 8, 2014 by Mrs Rusty Bucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochmad Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) I'd stick this on their FB page. (Ian Dunbar: Cute puppy to shelter dog) That was very good. Pity they don't do these type of ads on TV to get the message across. I seriously think that people have no idea about the requirements for having a dog. Some think that the pup comes automatically trained, while others think dogs understand English. Unfortunately a lot of people think dogs are easily replaceable and so don't put any time in. There's always puppies advertised online or in pet shops. Don't want your dog? Just dump it at the local pound. Out of sight, out of mind. Edited June 13, 2014 by poochmad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 This sort of thing makes me so sad and frustrated too. A (now ex) boyfriend of mine bought a Border Collie puppy without the slightest consideration for it's mental wellbeing or the responsibility involved in dog ownership. He works 60 hours a week in the city as well as playing sport, going out drinking and having his child part time. Eg, he had zero time to put into proper training or socialisation of the dog. As a result, it's a yapping overexcited nightmare to take anywhere and he ended up getting a "military dog training expert" (see: lots of shouting, leash yanking and intimidation as "training" methods) to try and fix the dog. Just makes my blood boil talking about it a year later. I think people are either too selfish or too stupid to consider the animals needs when getting a pet. Makes me want to say to them, "Dogs aren't accessories or a part time thing, and if you can't commit to giving them a happy, stable and loved life, you have no business owning one, end of story." Glad he is now an X Sash hearing stories like this make my blood boil as well. Border Collies are very devoted 'people dogs'. They just want to be with you. WHY???? do people get the most intelligent dog there is & dump it in there back yard, thinking it's OK ??? Then go ahead & starve the poor pup of the very things they crave most, mental stimulation & to feel part of the family. It is just insanely cruel. Then they subject the poor pup to some harsh version of reform school. Nothing is more unnecessary with a BC than 'harsh handling' they are very sensible & sensitive as a rule. A simple 'no' will suffice. The poor puppy is the one that always suffers most & he didn't ask to be in the situation in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaznHotAussies Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Ugh tell me about it. One lot of friends I have got a BC x Blue heeler (farm bred accident type) and this dog has a LOT of energy. Problem is they live in suburbia and don't have much time to devote to walking/training/disciplining the dog. They also have two very young kids (they didn't for the first two years of the dog's life however) and have even less time for the poor thing now. So it is a neurotic mess, obese, hyperactive, untrained. I lived with them for a little while and tried to teach it to walk on a loose lead and even tried to teach them how to keep up the training and they just let her pull so I gave up on that. Nobody wants to walk it because it's a LOT of work to hold onto a pulling dog. (I actually managed to go for a walk and she stopped pulling next day they took her for a walk and it was forgotten ) So now they're also looking after a friend's GSD, who is absolutely lovely but likes to have a strong leader so they think she's naughty. But anyway these two dogs just hang out in the back yard all day then come in to sleep inside at night and that's about the extent of their day. Also have other friends who asked me about puppies and whether I knew of any GSD breeders so I asked around and found this awesome breeder (a friend has a dog bred by them and he's really nice) so gave them the details. Suddenly that's too expensive (well what do you expect?) and they ask about my dog's breeder, so I say I'll ask if she's got any puppies not spoken for. Two days later they have an Old English Sheepdog. From a petshop. Flown from over east (guessing that means puppy farm). So I don't know how that could have been any cheaper than the GSD? And now they're concerned that she's destructive (they both work full time so she's home alone most days) and needs a puppy companion!! I don't know... Oh and they were asking me about any breeders of Old English Sheepdogs in WA so that they could breed theirs when she's older as well so I tried to explain that there's a lot of testing you have to do before you'd want to breed a dog (besides whether it's actually a good enough specimen to breed) but I think that would've gone in one ear and out the other. sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 People like this drive me crazy. But of course we all know Labs are born trained - they're guide dogs you know (every one of them lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaznHotAussies Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 This sort of thing makes me so sad and frustrated too. A (now ex) boyfriend of mine bought a Border Collie puppy without the slightest consideration for it's mental wellbeing or the responsibility involved in dog ownership. He works 60 hours a week in the city as well as playing sport, going out drinking and having his child part time. Eg, he had zero time to put into proper training or socialisation of the dog. As a result, it's a yapping overexcited nightmare to take anywhere and he ended up getting a "military dog training expert" (see: lots of shouting, leash yanking and intimidation as "training" methods) to try and fix the dog. Just makes my blood boil talking about it a year later. I think people are either too selfish or too stupid to consider the animals needs when getting a pet. Makes me want to say to them, "Dogs aren't accessories or a part time thing, and if you can't commit to giving them a happy, stable and loved life, you have no business owning one, end of story." Glad he is now an X Sash hearing stories like this make my blood boil as well. Border Collies are very devoted 'people dogs'. They just want to be with you. WHY???? do people get the most intelligent dog there is & dump it in there back yard, thinking it's OK ??? Then go ahead & starve the poor pup of the very things they crave most, mental stimulation & to feel part of the family. It is just insanely cruel. Then they subject the poor pup to some harsh version of reform school. Nothing is more unnecessary with a BC than 'harsh handling' they are very sensible & sensitive as a rule. A simple 'no' will suffice. The poor puppy is the one that always suffers most & he didn't ask to be in the situation in the first place So true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I think a lot of people like the idea of owning a dog, - without having a clue about what effort is required. My neighbours have adopted a rescue dog, with the best of intentions I'm sure. But they are finding it hard to make time to walk him. He howls/cries while they're both at work, chews up the kids toys, and pulls the washing off the line... I can't remember if I've mentioned this before but I actually had someone tell me in a surrender interview that they were a family so they thought they "should" have a dog (yeah the dog they were now surrendering because she was too hard to walk, give enough time to etc etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Sigh... I just remembered an old friend whose husband got an ex show border collie... My friend was a little bit round - but between her and her husband - they're both very unhealthy weight now. But the worst thing is they have taken a healthy weight show dog, and now she's the same shape and unhealthiness as them. I think the breeder who rehomed her to them - would be horrified. Note it would be QLD or NSW breeder not SA. I like my friend but I don't like her husband much. It's all a bit toxic from way over here. He doesn't clean up the dog's yard either. And she won't do it because "it's his dog". I was horrified about that too. I wanted to clean up the mess so we could sit and have a coffee together to catch up but they would not let me. If it had been my house (which can be very messy) - if I invite someone over for catch up - I spend the time between the invite and the arrival - cleaning like mad. But there is never so many dog craps in the yard that you can't walk or sit out there without having to step around it or smell it. I'm really diligent about that. I see her crap and I pick it up. And I check later for craps done in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 How very sad Mrs Rusty Bucket Tragic really. That poor dog has gone from being in peak condition to zero, just like that. Poor dog must feel like shite. Similar to it's disgusting living conditions just cause they want to be slobs, sorry they are your friends & I don't mean to offend BUT... Gosh I wish the breeder could find out. Maybe they could do something about this. ERRRR, how hard is it to pick up straight away after your dog. How hard is it to spend a bit of time with them. God knows if they all started to walk a couple of times a day. They could get back in shape & all feel so much better & healthier. Simple. Dogs can bring so much happiness if you just spend time with them. If I had my way that is ALL I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah82 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 This ad just came up in my facebook feed. Yet another example of just not thinking about it and not putting in the time http://www.petrescue.com.au/listings/299906 Chip is a beautiful natured male who has a heart of gold. He hasn't had much time spent with him, so he would benefit from a family who will spend the time training him and showing him the ropes. He has a lot of energy and can be quiet boisterous but this is only due to lack of training and time spent with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RuralPug Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hands up please anyone who HASN'T known someone with this attitude to selecting dogs? We just have to keep educating, educating and educating. I usually compare adding a puppy to the family to adding a baby - similar amount of hands on work and training. Not exactly the same methods- a puppy is NOT a baby, but certainly the same commitment. A little less hands on work and quite possibly some un-training to clear established bad habits if adding an impulse adolescent or adult dog - similar to taking in a teenage foster child, not something to take on lightly. Too many people think its okay to spend less thought on choosing a canine family member than on choosing a lounge suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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