Muzzled Greyhounds Attacked

[hankdog]

Yea I understand a dog getting out once but that should be an accident that happens once. This was a staffy and the speed he ran at us was frightening. No hesitation straight onto Jakes back, I guess he was wound up from the chooks but then I hear of these attacks on the Greys and I think how lucky we were there were two of us to grab him.

I hope your rangers get onto it. I understand it must be a awful job going around dealing out fines all day and they must cop a fair bit of abuse. Well your newspaper article us a start. It seems bull breeds are the choice of dog for irresponsible owner.

[melzawelza]

Yea I understand a dog getting out once but that should be an accident that happens once. This was a staffy and the speed he ran at us was frightening. No hesitation straight onto Jakes back, I guess he was wound up from the chooks but then I hear of these attacks on the Greys and I think how lucky we were there were two of us to grab him.

I hope your rangers get onto it. I understand it must be a awful job going around dealing out fines all day and they must cop a fair bit of abuse. Well your newspaper article us a start. It seems bull breeds are the choice of dog for irresponsible owner.

I don't think we can be so quick to say that. 'Bull Breed' encompasses at least three breeds and their crosses. The SBT is either 1st or 2nd most popular dog each year, and the AmStaff is usually about 6 or 7. Of course there won't be accurate stats on APBT but there are a few pure breds left. Add cross breeds and look alike cross breeds and that is an enormous amount of 'bull breeds' in this country. Far outweighing any other breed or type of dog.

Statistically speaking, you would expect 'bull breeds' (remembering that this covers 3 breeds and their crosses) to rate highest on everything - escapes, bites etc, simply because so many people own one, they are more numerous in the community.

Because of this I don't know that you can assume that 'bull breeds' are the choice of dog for irresponsible owners. I think it's more likely that they are just simply more numerous in the country so of the one off escapes etc that are inevitable to happen to even the average dog owner it would be expected that more of the dogs could be considered 'bull breeds' than any other.

[hankdog]

Fair point, we don't have that many around here. Luckily more of an oodle area. I guess the athleticism of staffys probably means they can get out of fences others might not.

Edited May 21, 2014 by hankdog

[Staffyluv]

BSL for humans now.. The bull breeds are bad, so their owners must be as well..

Dump us all in the same bucket..

[Remarkabull]

BSL for humans now.. The bull breeds are bad, so their owners must be as well..

Dump us all in the same bucket..

I own Bullbreeds and I'm certainly not the kind of owner mentioned above but I do get what they're saying. When I take my dogs out in public they get a lot of attention and a lot of that attention is directed towards my male (I assume because he is more 'built' than his mum and is a nugget of muscle and looks tough) and its often from bogan type people. We also get a lot of interest from families as they are so good with kids but many are attracted to the look of them and I'm always quick to point out that they are a soft, sooky dog and couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag!

I'm more concerned about the clueless owners who have no idea about dogs or their behaviours. I had a recent run in with a couple and their young, entire male GSD. He was displaying some very dominant behaviour towards my male Bulldog. I stopped the interaction as my dog was clearly uncomfortable and was trying to get away from the GSD and they became very upset and insisted that their dog was only playing. It's scary that people really can't see or recognise predatory and or aggressive behaviour in their dogs.

[melzawelza]

BSL for humans now.. The bull breeds are bad, so their owners must be as well..

Dump us all in the same bucket..

I own Bullbreeds and I'm certainly not the kind of owner mentioned above but I do get what they're saying. When I take my dogs out in public they get a lot of attention and a lot of that attention is directed towards my male (I assume because he is more 'built' than his mum and is a nugget of muscle and looks tough) and its often from bogan type people. We also get a lot of interest from families as they are so good with kids but many are attracted to the look of them and I'm always quick to point out that they are a soft, sooky dog and couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag!

I'm more concerned about the clueless owners who have no idea about dogs or their behaviours. I had a recent run in with a couple and their young, entire male GSD. He was displaying some very dominant behaviour towards my male Bulldog. I stopped the interaction as my dog was clearly uncomfortable and was trying to get away from the GSD and they became very upset and insisted that their dog was only playing. It's scary that people really can't see or recognise predatory and or aggressive behaviour in their dogs.

So how do you know that these 'bogans' that are admiring your dog are irresponsible dog owners or like the look of your dog because they want to fight it? If they were wearing a suit would you still be so quick to point out that they were sooks and can't fight?

Were the problem GSD owners 'bogans'? I notice you didn't mention their appearance.

Something to think about. There are a lot of judgements and assumptions on your fellow human beings in your post...

Edited May 21, 2014 by melzawelza

[HazyWal]

BSL for humans now.. The bull breeds are bad, so their owners must be as well..

Dump us all in the same bucket..

I didn't. I said a majority of dogs loose here are bullbreeds and it's the owners slack attitude that worries me especially after the recent attack on my greys. Any breed of dog can do damage to mine, remember I have the original breed subjected to BSL we are already muzzled by law, but any larger breed can kill mine in minutes. I was talking to a friend of mine who was with Bull Terrier Rescue here on the Central Coast and he said himself (as Remarkabull did) his beloved breed tend to attract a certain type of person which makes it difficult when rehoming. He said for example people don't want a greyhound to put on the back of the ute to protect to tools or in the yard to protect the house, they want something big tough and scary looking and if they bite then that's an added bonus

[Remarkabull]

The GSD owners didn't appear to be bogans, just completely clueless about their dogs behaviours. Which I pointed out concerns me more than a 'bogan' with a Bullbreed.

I don't know that all bogans (or those I would consider as such) would be irresponsible owners but as a breeder I get to choose who I sell pups to and I'd rather be safe than sorry. I don't assume they want to fight the dogs at all, just that they are looking for a penis extender or ego boosting dog and given the comments the ones I have encountered have made and the questions they've asked that's exactly what they're after so I've made it clear that while my dogs may look tough, they most certainly have soft temperaments.

I have friends that I wouldn't sell a pup to in a million years too. I make the judgement based on what I see and I see no real problem with that?

Of course I'm judging them, based on the interactions I've had with them. Just like you're judging me based on my above post. I can't speak for all bogans, just the ones I've met :)

[Staffyluv]

BSL for humans now.. The bull breeds are bad, so their owners must be as well..

Dump us all in the same bucket..

I didn't. I said a majority of dogs loose here are bullbreeds and it's the owners slack attitude that worries me especially after the recent attack on my greys. Any breed of dog can do damage to mine, remember I have the original breed subjected to BSL we are already muzzled by law, but any larger breed can kill mine in minutes. I was talking to a friend of mine who was with Bull Terrier Rescue here on the Central Coast and he said himself (as Remarkabull did) his beloved breed tend to attract a certain type of person which makes it difficult when rehoming. He said for example people don't want a greyhound to put on the back of the ute to protect to tools or in the yard to protect the house, they want something big tough and scary looking and if they bite then that's an added bonus

I know you didn't HW.. But so many on this forum do..

I have run my own business since 2004 as an accountant.

I have had bull breeds most of my life.

I don't consider myself anything like what some seem to think we are, all because of the type of dog I choose to own.

My dogs are trained, well socialised, have nice manners and are good dogs - but because of 'what they are', I must obviously be 'a certain type of person'..

Certain members of DOL wonder why the bull breed people get up in arms and want to defend our choice, when we are put in the same 'bucket' as those who are irresponsible. It is not just bull breed dogs but sadly that seems to be the only ones the media reports on..

I don't judge all poodle owners based on the irresponsible owner at the local park and her horrid dogs who bully every dog they can.

There are good and bad dog owners of every breed..

Edited to add, if you knew my current boy - there is nothing big, scary or tough about him.

He lays down for puppies to play, he belly crawls to smaller dogs to say hello and he rolls over if another dog growls at him..

They aren't all like the persona that people think they are - sure some are but most are not.

Edited May 22, 2014 by Staffyluv

[Maddy]

BSL for humans now.. The bull breeds are bad, so their owners must be as well..

Dump us all in the same bucket..

I didn't. I said a majority of dogs loose here are bullbreeds and it's the owners slack attitude that worries me especially after the recent attack on my greys. Any breed of dog can do damage to mine, remember I have the original breed subjected to BSL we are already muzzled by law, but any larger breed can kill mine in minutes. I was talking to a friend of mine who was with Bull Terrier Rescue here on the Central Coast and he said himself (as Remarkabull did) his beloved breed tend to attract a certain type of person which makes it difficult when rehoming. He said for example people don't want a greyhound to put on the back of the ute to protect to tools or in the yard to protect the house, they want something big tough and scary looking and if they bite then that's an added bonus

I know you didn't HW.. But so many on this forum do..

I have run my own business since 2004 as an accountant.

I have had bull breeds most of my life.

I don't consider myself anything like what some seem to think we are, all because of the type of dog I choose to own.

My dogs are trained, well socialised, have nice manners and are good dogs - but because of 'what they are', I must obviously be 'a certain type of person'..

Certain members of DOL wonder why the bull breed people get up in arms and want to defend our choice, when we are put in the same 'bucket' as those who are irresponsible. It is not just bull breed dogs but sadly that seems to be the only ones the media reports on..

I don't judge all poodle owners based on the irresponsible owner at the local park and her horrid dogs who bully every dog they can.

There are good and bad dog owners of every breed..

Edited to add, if you knew my current boy - there is nothing big, scary or tough about him.

He lays down for puppies to play, he belly crawls to smaller dogs to say hello and he rolls over if another dog growls at him..

They aren't all like the persona that people think they are - sure some are but most are not.

No one was saying "bull breed owners are bogans". What was said (and I agree) was that certain types of people are attracted to certain breeds. You rarely see rough guys walking chis or poodles- they almost always pick big, strong breeds that have generally negative (however undeserved they might be) reputations. It's unfortunate for those breeds because it perpetuates those negative stereotypes but that's how it is. I have no doubt there are piles of responsible, good bull breed owners but no one was talking about (or referring to) them anyway.

[Staffyluv]

I never said bull breed owners were bogans either. In fact, the exact opposite was my point.

My son is six feet tall and covered in tattoos - so he must be the 'certain' type of person?? Rough looking guy and all..

You (people) can't judge people by what they look like or the type of dog they choose to share their life with - it simply isn't fair.

Edited May 22, 2014 by Staffyluv

[Remarkabull]

For the record tattoos don't make me think someone is any kind of person. I have a number of tattoos myself. My brother looks like a bikie (he's not). Appearance is part of it sure, but my judgement is based on interactions I had with specific people and based on what I heard and saw I'm comfortable with labelling them bogans.

[Maddy]

I never said bull breed owners were bogans either. In fact, the exact opposite was my point.

My son is six feet tall and covered in tattoos - so he must be the 'certain' type of person?? Rough looking guy and all..

You (people) can't judge people by what they look like or the type of dog they choose to share their life with - it simply isn't fair.

*facepalm*

Please stop making this about you and yours? Yeah, you might be lovely and yeah, your son might be great but no one here is talking about you. Again, what was said was that certain breeds (because of perceptions) often attract undesirable owners for those breeds.

As for judgments not being fair.. your breed got the reputation it did because of bad owners. Simple. As. That.

[Staffyluv]

I never said bull breed owners were bogans either. In fact, the exact opposite was my point.

My son is six feet tall and covered in tattoos - so he must be the 'certain' type of person?? Rough looking guy and all..

You (people) can't judge people by what they look like or the type of dog they choose to share their life with - it simply isn't fair.

*facepalm*

Please stop making this about you and yours? Yeah, you might be lovely and yeah, your son might be great but no one here is talking about you. Again, what was said was that certain breeds (because of perceptions) often attract undesirable owners for those breeds.

As for judgments not being fair.. your breed got the reputation it did because of bad owners. Simple. As. That.

Wow, there really isn't any reason to be rude..

[Maddy]

I never said bull breed owners were bogans either. In fact, the exact opposite was my point.

My son is six feet tall and covered in tattoos - so he must be the 'certain' type of person?? Rough looking guy and all..

You (people) can't judge people by what they look like or the type of dog they choose to share their life with - it simply isn't fair.

*facepalm*

Please stop making this about you and yours? Yeah, you might be lovely and yeah, your son might be great but no one here is talking about you. Again, what was said was that certain breeds (because of perceptions) often attract undesirable owners for those breeds.

As for judgments not being fair.. your breed got the reputation it did because of bad owners. Simple. As. That.

Wow, there really isn't any reason to be rude..

You really can't blame people for getting short with you here. Arguing the point over something that was never said is frustrating.

[hankdog]

I didn't mean to imply that all bull breed owners were irresponsible just that irresponsible owners do seen attracted to them. Personally I consider myself a bogan, a bull breed owner but responsible. There just seem to be a lot in pounds or out roaming although as melzawelza pointed out they are a common dog which could feed this perception. Two of the most highly trained dogs in my suburb that I know of are staffys. The third is a cattle dog, so there goes that stereotype for me.

[Staffyluv]

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Edited May 22, 2014 by Staffyluv

[Dame Aussie]

Every second person in my area has a staffy x.

Almost every dog we get in is a staffy x.

They are just everywhere and that's the reason they feature in incidents.

[Her Majesty Dogmad]

I just completed my second home check in a fortnight for homes that want a staffy or staffy cross pup, different rescue groups involved.

One home had very insufficient fencing (3 foot at lowest point) but wasn't concerned about the dog getting out at all. Several other issues at the same location.

Today's check actually let the dog out to roam because they like to keep the front door open ... I asked if he was good with other dogs and they said he's better than he was.

The rescue groups involved won't be rehoming their puppies to either home but no doubt they will get dogs from somewhere and this is how accidents happen.