Designer Dogs

[Rocksie-doll]

Puppy farmers should be jailed for offences that go far and beyond the broad limits which give people the right to treat their dogs with horrific cruelty. I have to draw the line with genuine breeders who are attempting to breed "new" breeds. This is the method, over hundreds of years that has been employed to create the vaste range of acceptable breeds which now occupy the various Kennel club varieties. 99% of dog breeds have been created by mankind and responsible breeders, attempting to create a new breed and have done so by mixing all manner of existing breeds.

Rather than slamming every "mixed dog" breeder with a tag that labels them as puppy farmers or "mut" breeders, we need to encourage these responsible people, whose passion is to develop a new breed, in exactly the way all previous breeds that have come into being. I generally rescue dogs and also have Pedegrees but if some sort of organisation can't be established with a strong status and strict rules, then what has been over the past centuries will be lost.

The needs for different breeds for different needs has emerged. Some of the working dogs of the past have been bred to perform jobs that are obsolete and as with people, we need go get with the times and create breeds more appropriate for the 21st century.

An appropriate, uniform and strict body must be put in place and have a genuine recognition within the already established Pure Bred community.

eta: typo

Edited April 27, 2014 by Rocksie-doll

[_PL_]

re new breeds: In my inexpert opinion that sounds like what the MDBA foundation registry does. Could be wrong.

[Jed]

Are you aware of exactly how many pure dog breeds there are?

As far as I know, the ANKC and the working dog registries take care of breeds in development. What kind of strict body did you have in mind?

[Rocksie-doll]

I do not know how many pure breed dogs there are. What I would really like is a strict body, similar to the ANKC or even associated with the ANKA which accepts members who perform all the required tests of both lines and their offspring so that X+Y doesn't equal a $1,900 dog of no integrity, but a genetic and health regulated inquiry into new, genuinley bred dogs, who in the future, can in fact be part of the over-seer of the ANKC. Five hundred years ago. there were enough breeds. Now look at the huge growth in Pedegree dogs.

If we don't get some sort of organisation to really get tough with this interbreeding, many dogs will suffer. Furthermore, this approach will help to (never ever alliminate back yard breaders) but it should however form a new group to help dog buyers to look in the right direction.

[Rocksie-doll]

re new breeds: In my inexpert opinion that sounds like what the MDBA foundation registry does. Could be wrong.

I really don't know what the MDBA is or does, but it isn't enough.

[Jed]

And if the breeders aren't interested in this registry, and don't want to join? What then?

If you don't know how many pure breeds there are, why are you advocating for more crosses to produce more pure bred dogs?

It is a huge job to breed a purebred line from other breeds, and very expensive. Why would a breeder do that when there are already many many pure breeds out there? I don't understand what you are advocating.

Go to the ANCK website, and read the requirements for a breed in development.

As a breeder of 40 years + experience, I find it challenging enough to try to breed examples of the breed which are in accordance with the standard, with good temperament and health as well, without trying to develop some new breed.

[Salukifan]

Other than the Labradoodle (hate that name) that has its own breed association and register, what other breeds ARE there in development??

Repeated F1 crosses are certainly not that.

Outside of the ANKC it is not against any rules to crossbreed. What are you proposing?

[Jed]

re new breeds: In my inexpert opinion that sounds like what the MDBA foundation registry does. Could be wrong.

Is that still going? Weren't they enabling those labradoodle breeders who were in the tin with the RSPCA?

[Rocksie-doll]

Ok., here is my situation. I have a invalid mother who needs a lap dog. Most of her dogs have been medium to large breeds and heavy shedders. She once had a miniture poodle who she loved and he was very intelligent and also pretty active and a bit of a handful. She is about to lose her Springer and wants a low maintenance lap dog. Not very demanding, small, doesn't do much and wants to lie around and be loved. She will be grieving as she lost her Pitty (17) last year. I really wanted a rescue but it is Mum that needs rescueing. A little fluffy thing to keep her bed warm would be great. I reckon mum's got quite a few years left in her, so a mature dog would just mean more heart ache.

Big change of topic, but any thoughts? We are in SE QLD and I would like a dude or dudess who will get her off the bed but not need walking - just playing in the back yard. I have a blind E. Cocker and me and mum live in the same house. Mine is a bossy thing.

[Simply Grand]

Tibetan Spaniel

Maltese

Bichon Frise

Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

Pomeranian

But bear in mind that any young dog will be reasonably active and require the mental stimulation of getting out and about and doing things as well as need training and socialisation. All of the above mentioned will also need regular grooming.

[Bjelkier]

Havanese

[Dame Aussie]

Any dog needs to be walked.

[Rocksie-doll]

I completely understand. All I want is to stop this horrible trend that is happening all over the place. I have friends that have spent loads of money on pet shop (back yard breeder) dogs because they are cute. If we can try and support genuine cross-breeders, perhaps this may be at the very least, reduced. I'm really not looking for an argument, and I know many breeders. My plight is to allow more breeds who come under stricter regulation. With no malice to breeders, some of the stuff they have been doing to their breeds because of the new "idea" of what the breed should look like has been tragically detrimental to the breed. GSD for one.

And if the breeders aren't interested in this registry, and don't want to join? What then?

If you don't know how many pure breeds there are, why are you advocating for more crosses to produce more pure bred dogs?

It is a huge job to breed a purebred line from other breeds, and very expensive. Why would a breeder do that when there are already many many pure breeds out there? I don't understand what you are advocating.

Go to the ANCK website, and read the requirements for a breed in development.

As a breeder of 40 years + experience, I find it challenging enough to try to breed examples of the breed which are in accordance with the standard, with good temperament and health as well, without trying to develop some new breed.

[Jed]

Maltese - but so few purebred Maltese are being bred, she will probably never get one

Shih Tzu

Schipperke

Pekingese

Min. Pin

Minature Dacshund

Papillion

Chinese Crested - maybe a powder puff

Tibetian Spaniel

presuming this cranky Cocker isn't going to be in a position to bite any of them!!

There are probably more, too, but read up on those and others suggested, and see if one of them would suit, then check DOL puppy pages to see what's about.

And from registered ANKC breeders who know which health tests the dogs need, can explain it to you, and do the relevant ones.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Jed

[Bjelkier]

We have more than enough breeds already in this world to fit pretty much every purpose required by man kind IMO.

Instead of encouraging mongrel breeders I'd like to seen more rare breeds from other parts of the world given a chance so we don't loose them and more education and advertising for pure-breds for the average pet person so they know there are other choices out there.

[Rocksie-doll]

Bichon Frise is one I think will really hit the mark, followed by the two spaniels, but I really thing you hit it with the Bichon Frise. By any chance, is there a Bichon Frise rescue? I believe they live a long time, so age may not be so much of an issue.

Thanks.

eta: dog owners all our lives. Puppies are just wonderful but holy hell - need I say more?

Tibetan Spaniel

Maltese

Bichon Frise

Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

Pomeranian

But bear in mind that any young dog will be reasonably active and require the mental stimulation of getting out and about and doing things as well as need training and socialisation. All of the above mentioned will also need regular grooming.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Rocksie-doll

[Simply Grand]

In most places anyone is allowed to breed anything they want, there is no law against it. The ANKC is a body that relates to breeds they have registered as pure breeds. They have a process and requirements for adding new breeds to their registry. There is no need for them to include cross breeds in what they do.

Ethical breeding and selling of sound, healthy, fit for purpose dogs is a separate issue to whether they are ANKC pure breeds, breeds on other registries or cross breeds IMO.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Simply Grand

[Rocksie-doll]

In most places anyone is allowed to breed anything they want, there is no law against it. The ANKC is a body that relates to breeds they have registered as pure breeds. They have a process and requirements for adding new breeds to their registry. There is no need for them to include cross breeds in what they do.

Ethical breeding and selling of sound, healthy, fit for purpose dogs is a separate issue to whether they are ANKC pure breeds, breeds on other registries or cross breeds IMO.

Thank you, I appreciate your input. Perhaps an alternative approach is in order.

[Esky the husky]

Other than the Labradoodle (hate that name) that has its own breed association and register, what other breeds ARE there in development??

The Bullarab is one. :)

[Leah82]

Other than the Labradoodle (hate that name) that has its own breed association and register, what other breeds ARE there in development??

The Bullarab is one. :)

The spoodle or cockapoo (worse name ever) is in development in the US