Border Collie Pup - Red Patch On Snout

[aliwake]

so what treatment did the new vet suggest? I would have thought neocort would be good, but I'd be interested to know why it's not (for future reference - not judging!)

[sheena]

Thanks sheena, i'll look into it.

Btw the vet visit was finally conclusive! I didn't hear the correct term but it's a deep follicle bacterial infection The vet (a new one) said it may take over three weeks to clear up! Dog lovers: do NOT use betadine or neocort (both the things prescribed by the first vet) on a dog with a skin infection. They are the devil!!!

The FiltaBac is an antibacterial cream. It sound very similar to what my girl had.

[katiegrrl88]

Hi persephone, sheena and aliwake

My lovely girl is on cephalexin tablets - antibiotics, two a day. To try and dry out the infection internally. I have sensitive skin myself and remember being told that cortisone creams can cause problems. It was a bit complicated but apparently neocort can damage the skin and suppress the immune system and maybe something else, basically do more damage than good in this case...

[Mystiqview]

Betadine is only diluted iodine (either in a liquid or cream) which is an antiseptic solution. Antiseptic Liquid rapidly kills all bacteria and fungi commonly responsible for wound and skin infections. At worst - it will have no effect at all. It would possibly only kill surface bacteria/fungus and may not get deep enough to treat the deeper infection.

http://www.inhousepharmacy.biz/p-216-ilium-neocort-200g-pot.aspx

Neocort:

Ilium Neocort general information

What is Ilium Neocort used for?

Ilium Neocort cream 200g is a topical treatment used for dogs, cats, horses and cattle to treat skin conditions caused by bacteria that are sensitive to the antibiotic neomycin. These skin conditions include moist dermatitis, in which an initial skin irritation, which can be an insect bite, skin allergy or laceration, causes the animal to scratch so that the skin becomes red and inflamed turning into a moist open wound due to constant scratching and biting of the skin. Ilium Neocort cream combines antibiotic, anti-inflammatory and anaesthetic effect to help remove the pain and irritation of the skin lesion so that it can heal.

How does Ilium Neocort work?

Ilium Neocort cream 200g contains a combination of ingredients used to treat inflammatory skin conditions in animals that become infected. Neomycin in Ilium Neocort cream is an antibiotic that is commonly used in creams and ointments and is used to kill a wide range of bacteria that cause skin infections, by inhibiting bacterial protein synthesis. Lignocaine in Ilium Neocort cream is a local anesthetic that is used in topical creams to relieve itching, burning and pain caused by inflammation in skin and acts by blocking transmission of sensory signals and inducing numbness to the area of skin where it is applied, so that the urge to scratch is reduced. Hydrocortisone in Ilium Neocort cream is a synthetic corticosteroid hormone with actions similar to cortisol that is produced by the adrenal glands, and works by reducing the body’s response to inflammation. The combined ingredients in Ilium Neocort cream help reduce the redness and soreness caused by an inflammatory skin condition as well as treating bacterial infection.

What does Ilium Neocort contain?

Ilium Neocort contains the active ingredients lignocaine 20mg/g, neomycin 5mg/g, hydrocortisone 5mg/g in a tube of 200g cream.

Treating skin conditions in animals with Ilium Neocort

Ilium Neocort cream 200g contains a combination of ingredients used to treat inflammatory skin conditions in animals that become infected. It is a topical treatment containing the antibiotic neomycin to kill sensitive bacteria; a local anesthetic lignocaine to induce numbness to the area of skin where it is applied; and hydrocortisone to reduce the response to inflammation. Ilium Neocort cream is used for dogs, cats, horses and cattle to treat skin conditions including, moist dermatitis, in which an initial insect bite, skin allergy or laceration causes the animal to scratch so that the skin becomes inflamed and infected, turning into a moist open wound due to constant scratching and biting of the skin. Ilium Neocort cream combines antibiotic, anti-inflammatory and anaesthetic effect to help remove the pain and irritation of the skin lesion so that it can heal.

What are the side effects of Ilium Neocort?

When should you apply Ilium Neocort to your animals skin?

You should not use Ilium Neocortcream 200g if your animal shows any allergic or sensitivity reaction to lignocaine, neomycin or hydrocortisone or any ingredients in Ilium Neocort.

How should you apply Ilium Neocort?

You should apply Ilium Neocort cream 200g to your animal’s skin by applying a thin layer of cream twice daily to the affected areas and gently massaging into the skin. Continue to treat your animal’s skin for a maximum of 14 days, until the infection has cleared and the wound has healed.

How long should you apply Ilium Neocort?

You should continue to apply Ilium Neocort cream 200g to treat your animal’s skin for a maximum of 14 days, until the infection has cleared and the wound has healed.

It sounds by the information given the second vet prescribed a secondary dose of internal antibiotics to fight the infection.

[katiegrrl88]

All I know is with almost a week of the neocort cream Asher's nose was only getting worse. A day or two after going on antibiotics she started looking better. Probably for an internal infection a topical cream was going to have no effect, but also some dogs can apparently be allergic to neocort.

[Loving my Oldies]

Thanks sheena, i'll look into it.

Btw the vet visit was finally conclusive! I didn't hear the correct term but it's a deep follicle bacterial infection The vet (a new one) said it may take over three weeks to clear up! Dog lovers: do NOT use betadine or neocort (both the things prescribed by the first vet) on a dog with a skin infection. They are the devil!!

I am so glad your girl is getting better.

But these posts of yours about the first vet and this new one are positively scary. I know vets are only human (LOL) but really some are just the pits and should be told so. But of course the industry body protects its own.

Good luck from now on with your puppies.

BTW there is nothing wrong with having two puppies at the same time: I think it is great but it is extra work, but what is wrong about that ? :laugh:

[DeltaCharlie]

From memory, neocort thins the layer of skin and makes it more vulnerable to breaking. So perhaps it renders that part of skin more vulnerable to infection? Not quite sure about the betadine side of things though, wouldn't that help to kill the infection? Its times like this I am very glad I have a wonderful and very knowledgeable vet on hand, who I trust implicitly with my dogs.

[katiegrrl88]

Hi Dame Danny's Darling, thanks so much for the supportive words! :D we love having our two girls - couldn't imagine having left one behind!! I agree about the vets, I was so upset when I heard the first vet's prescriptions were making Asher worse rather than better. She's going back to the good vet tonight for a check up, but looks like she's doing well!

DeltaCharlie: you're absolutely right, it was splitting the skin, it was terrible! (BTW your BCs are just gorgeous!!!)

[Loving my Oldies]

When I was getting desperate because my skin was so itchy, I asked the chemist about cortisone cream (because I had tried with some success the dogs' Neocort :D ). I was told not to put cortisone cream on broken skin, but I apply it to the dogs if they are itching and the skin has been broken