Beauceron Needs A New Home

[kelpiecuddles]

I do understand what you are saying SG and I guess that like you I am hoping this all turns out well for the dog/breed/new owner, etc. As I say, I think it would be good if this dog could be properly assessed as to it's 'in tact value', if it not to be used down the track in a planned import program then as others have mentioned a vasectomy might be a good option.

That said I am hoping that Nehkbet's personal recommendation for this gentleman is a sing that he is someone that does have this dogs/breeds best interests at heart.

[Pjrt]

Sorry if I was confusing. I meant it would be a shame if the dog couldnt be assessed for it's potential for training and working in ring sports before it is desexed. I was not basing my comments on the potential for this dog to be assessed as a stud.

If the dog is generally of poor nerve or turns out to be a cripple, then I doubt anyone would have a problem with it being desexed.

But it needs to be assessed first.

[brightstar123]

Wow a lot of contention about the desexing, I'm just happy that it sounds like he could have a suitable home. The dog was released to NSW, not the ACT, but after discussing the exceptional circumstances surrounding this dog they released him to me entire, with the understanding and desire that he would be desexed if kept in a pet home. I am a vet and I'm ready and able to castrate him myself anytime I feel like its the best course of action for the dog. If he had remained in the trial home where he is now or gone to a different private/family home he would have been desexed, no questions asked. Both the pound and I were well aware of the legalities surrounding the stat dec and interstate adoption and we both wanted to get the dog out of the pound as quickly as possible. The original owners wishes for the dog were also considered.

After spending some time with him it was clear to me that he would require a very special home. I became aware of the possibility of a working home actually being the best option for this dogs welfare, so I decided to wait to see where he would go first before castrating him. I would never rehome this dog as an entire unless I was 110% confident about the new owner. Please remember that this is a large demanding working-breed dog with some behavioural and training problems that do limit the kind of home he could go to. Also please remember that there is much more to the story of this dog than I have posted on a public forum. I am not above the rules and do a lot of rescue work - I would never support backyard breeding or encourage people to unnecessarily keep their dogs entire. There are many health reasons alone not to do this! But this is an exceptional case where desexing the dog could have actually reduced his chances of ending up in a great home with a capable person who is able to work with him.

Please be considered with your criticism as this is a sad and uncommon situation and everyone involved (including the pound staff, myself, the original owner, trial owner and other trainers, vets and breeders) have been genuinely trying their best to protect the dog and see him end up in a home where he will be appreciated, well-cared for and able to live up to his potential.

[Simply Grand]

Thank you for the additional information Brightstar, much appreciated in understanding this situation.

[VizslaMomma]

Assuming always makes an ASS out of someone.

Kudos to the OP for handling the matter in a professional way in an effort to aid what is a fine animal.

I worry about bush lawyers though.

[frufru]

Hope this boy's home works out - you have your head and heart in the right place Brighstar :)

[persephone]

Assuming always makes an ASS out of someone.

Kudos to the OP for handling the matter in a professional way in an effort to aid what is a fine animal.

I worry about bush lawyers though.

indeed

[Little Gifts]

Based on Bright Star's last post I'm very glad that so many people behind the scenes have recognised the exceptional circumstances surrounding this boy and are making informed decisions based on what is in his best interests now and in the future. It is the best outcome that could be hoped for with any dog in need. I'm still happy this beautiful boy is remaining in Australia and may be the start of something exciting relating to his breed.

[DeltaCharlie]

I am so glad to hear that this wonderful home has come up for him, I have been following his story for a while now. I think I may have squeeed myself when I read that he had a great home!

As far as the desexing goes- why does everyone assume that an entire dog is being left entire for breeding purposes? Not once has it ever been mentioned that anyone is going to be breeding from him, he is being left entire for working. I don't know a lot about that style of working dog, but I do understand that testosterone plays a pretty big part. The guy is responsible, knows how to handle entire dogs, and has an incredibly experienced and respected DOLer vouching for him. I don't get the issue?

Yes, when I was involved in rescue it was all about desexing and "OMG entire dogs are evil", but then I started breeding and realised it really isn't that difficult to keep dogs entire without incident.

As for the people wanting a conformation judge to look at him? Why? it isn't even a recognisable breed in Aus and I hate to break it to you, the ANKC is not the be all and end all of dogs. If it was up to a judge to determine which of ours could remain entire on looks alone, they would probably all fail. They are, however, great working dogs and built for a purpose. If they couldn't do the job they were bred for then they would be desexed.

[aussielover]

So glad it looks like he has found a suitable home!

When you say he might be a working dog - what exactly is meant by that? Police, defence, security etc? Or dog sports? Either way great for him if he is suitable. Would be pretty cool if he became a police dog or similar, although they usually like to start training from a young age? And they have to be entire for that sort of work don't they?

I also don't see the big issue with him being entire especially when it is for a working purpose. It's been established he is going to an experienced home, not some random.

What use would an ankc judge be in this situation? It's not a show dog. Without getting into the whole working vs show, there is a reason why many service dog organizations have their own breeding programs now and why working dog people buy from working dog breeders.,..

Edited April 15, 2014 by aussielover

[Airedaler]

Little Gifts says (in part)

"None of this behind the scenes stuff is even our business. We are not the rescue group, pound police and no agreement has even been broken. The poor dog is not even in the new owner's possession yet.

I'm just going to focus on the small miracle that is him finding a new and what seems like perfect home".

This says it all to me.

[Tatelina]

got a home for him down here ready and waiting with one of the most experienced people in the country with working dogs.

I have PMd you the contact he wants the dog ASAP. Loving home guarenteed he's a dear friend of mine and treats dogs better then most people treat their children.

Fantastic outcome!

[Simply Grand]

Assuming always makes an ASS out of someone.

Kudos to the OP for handling the matter in a professional way in an effort to aid what is a fine animal.

I worry about bush lawyers though.

That's kinda rude. Everyone was assuming except for Brighstar and Nehk once she'd spoken to Brightstar.

I don't see anything wrong with raising questions in a discussion, I think it's helpful in properly thinking through a situation.

[kelpiecuddles]

To be clear I only mentioned a show judge looking at him as an idea to satisfy those who were dead set on him needing to be desexed. If legally he had been required to be desexed in order to comply with a contract he could have a vasectomy as a working dog, but if there was potential for him to be used as a stud at some stage then obviously he would need to be completely entire. Personally I had no issue with him being left entire to start with but there was an awful lot of pressure saying he should desexed and I felt he should have the chance to be assessed prior to any permanent decisions being made.

Also if you reread I didn't say an ANKC judge should look at him, I said it would be nice to get an overseas judge with breed experience to look at him, which wouldnt be a bad idea from a working perspective anyway to identify any possible structural issues.

[OSoSwift]

Just because someone has an entire dog does not mean they are irresponsible and should be burnt at the stake.

Just because a dog is entire does not mean people are going to take it mating all over the countryside.

Give people a bit of credit. Not everyone is a money grubbing lowlife hell bent on making money from pumping out a rare breed( or cross).

I would love to hear updates on this boy if that is possible. It sounds like the perfect home and it would be fantastic to see him working and in the roll he was bred for.

Edited April 16, 2014 by OSoSwift

[Nekhbet]

OK ... wow at some of the comments on here. A rare, specialised dog needs a new home and instead there's accusations thrown around of this that and the other and an obsession over his testicles.

The person I recommended I trust with my life. Literally. He's helped me and others so much and is far from unscrupulous. If you could only fathom to what lengths he has gone to to save dogs from his own breeding ... It's upsetting to me personally actually that there is any question and that some peoples minds can immediately spring to the worst scenario of someone who is such a dear friend to me. You don't know so you judge. Hell or high water his dogs come first to him.

Sometimes I wonder about the mentality of people on this forum I really do.

[Yonjuro]

OK ... wow at some of the comments on here. A rare, specialised dog needs a new home and instead there's accusations thrown around of this that and the other and an obsession over his testicles.

The person I recommended I trust with my life. Literally. He's helped me and others so much and is far from unscrupulous. If you could only fathom to what lengths he has gone to to save dogs from his own breeding ... It's upsetting to me personally actually that there is any question and that some peoples minds can immediately spring to the worst scenario of someone who is such a dear friend to me. You don't know so you judge. Hell or high water his dogs come first to him.

Sometimes I wonder about the mentality of people on this forum I really do.

Well said and again well done to you for being part of the facilitation process.

[OSoSwift]

Yep seems everything is black and white to many, no room for anything else.

[mixeduppup]

I completely trust and respect Nekhbet's integrity on this matter.

[Simply Grand]

Sorry Nekhbet but I feel you are being a little over sensitive and that possibly some other people are not making any attempt to consider everything being said. Up until Brightstar's post at 12:06 this morning there was nothing in the thread confirming that s/he had agreed for the dog to go to your friend. Of course I have no issue with him going to someone you vouch for, I doubt anyone does, and since Brightstar's additional post no one has posted anything unsupportive of this outcome.

However there are plenty of situations which do not turn so out well, which is what I and others were concerned about. I'm sure many of us are aware of people not doing what they've said they will and it turning out badly. As I said before, i meant no offence to Brightstar personally but until more details were provided most of us knew very little about who got the dog from the pound or what they intended to do with him (unless everyone else knew something I didn't, in which case I apologise for not realising that).

Many breeders on here have made it very clear that they would not be happy with one of their dogs going to a pound and being rehomed to an unknown party entire without their involvement and I fully understand that feeling so that's why it struck me as odd that people were unconcerned about this boy being in that situation.

The other issue that was raised is the law, which is the law and applies to everyone whether we like it or not. Pointing that out is hardly implying that anyone who wants to keep a dog entire is an irresponsible, money grubbing lowlife. I'm sure I'm not the only person who mentioned that aspect who has an entire dog kept responsibly and not to be bred from unless down the track she proves worthy (or maybe I am, I don't actually know )

Let me reiterate, I am very happy that this dog has found a suitably specialised and loving home who will be responsible with him being entire, or desexed, whatever they want.