VizslaMomma Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Some publicity locally might be needed too. Does the woman know she is taking on a stalwart of DOL? I think not. BAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 do you need help to pay the ongoing vet costs? I am happy to send some dollars. Do not be ashamed to ask. Count me in as well. Or, if HW is too genteel to ask, let's simply do something in any case to show we stand with her and her lovely dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 What I just don't understand is that councils will impound dogs because of what they look like but seem unwilling to take action when there is an issue. I am sure I am not alone in thinking this!! It's f*$#&ing ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 What I just don't understand is that councils will impound dogs because of what they look like but seem unwilling to take action when there is an issue. I am sure I am not alone in thinking this!! It's f*$#&ing ridiculous. It is because Councils appear to get away with these issues. Grossly unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Or, if HW is too genteel to ask, let's simply do something in any case to show we stand with her and her lovely dogs. See post #177 :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisys Mum Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 That sounds so wrong to me who is the victim in all of this? It's BS that people take no responsibility for their animals I hope Stan and Maddie are feeling ok today ...give them an ear scratch and cuddle from me :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdog Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Sounds like she started out doing the right thing but has now gotten some legal advice. Now it all gets complicated and ugly and the lawyers make money. How for all concerned. I hope the dogs and you are feeling better today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I say she is bluffing and hasn't engaged the advice of a solicitor.. I would think a solicitors letter from yours to her, would get her opening her wallet again :) It might cost you to get the letter done up but I think it would be worth it, if there are going to be ongoing costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Does the council realise you were injured as a result of the attack too? Surely if a human was injured they are forced to take a harder line approach than simply if they attack another animal? I'm not angling for the dogs to be euthed but I do think they need to have some sort of order to ensure they are appropriately contained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Yes KC. Lets not forget this whole shocking incident could of been a whole lot more shocking. The could have maulded HW. Killed one of her lovely greys These dogs could of grabbed a smaller dog/ or even a child . I mean who knows. They need to be managed accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyWal Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Thank you all for your never ending support. Staffyluv I also call bullshit on the solicitor and the ranger said exactly the same today. If she had rung a solicitor and said "um my dogs got out today and attacked two muzzled on lead greyhounds and she wants me to keep paying these damn vet bills" I'm pretty sure said solicitor would say " you better suck it up and pay sunshine because you have broken the law". Looking at my sweet Maddie struggling through no fault of her own enrages me but I can only do what the NSW laws allow, as pathetic as it is. The fact that this has to happen again to get justice is a joke. The ranger was fantastic today and was also disheartened by the law ETA I went to the police and as I was already told they can do nothing. Edited April 7, 2014 by HazyWal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 What if you engaged a solicitor and sent her a letter demanding she pay up? Would she escalate or fold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 What if you engaged a solicitor and sent her a letter demanding she pay up? Would she escalate or fold? And I'd be happy to helpful with that cost wise to. Many years ago I was walking my gap grey in a halti. We were approached by a large breed off lead dog. The dog was stalking us. I stopped and connected the lead to the collar and took off the halti. I wanted my dog to be able to fight back if needed. The idea of your on lead muzzled greys getting attacked and being unable to defend themselves makes me bloody furious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 ETA I went to the police and as I was already told they can do nothing. That has to be just convenient f**king bullshit. The woman has committed a crime by not having her dogs properly contained; they have attacked other dogs; they have injured a civilian. How can they possible stand behind: it isn't in our remit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Thank you all for your never ending support. Staffyluv I also call bullshit on the solicitor and the ranger said exactly the same today. If she had rung a solicitor and said "um my dogs got out today and attacked two muzzled on lead greyhounds and she wants me to keep paying these damn vet bills" I'm pretty sure said solicitor would say " you better suck it up and pay sunshine because you have broken the law". Looking at my sweet Maddie struggling through no fault of her own enrages me but I can only do what the NSW laws allow, as pathetic as it is. The fact that this has to happen again to get justice is a joke. The ranger was fantastic today and was also disheartened by the law ETA I went to the police and as I was already told they can do nothing. I'm not meaning to disparage your ranger and they may have a legitimate reason for deciding not to declare the dogs... but if they are telling you that the legislation states that there has to be a second incident before they can declare the dogs menacing or dangerous and that it isn't an option for them then that is bull. 33 Meaning of “dangerous”(1) For the purposes of this Act, a dog is dangerous if it: (a) has, without provocation, attacked or killed a person or animal (other than vermin), or (b) has, without provocation, repeatedly threatened to attack or repeatedly chased a person or animal (other than vermin), or © (Repealed) (d) is kept or used for the purposes of hunting. 33A Meaning of “menacing” and “menacing breed or kind of dog”(1) For the purposes of this Act, a dog is menacing if it: (a) has displayed unreasonable aggression towards a person or animal (other than vermin), or (b) has, without provocation, attacked a person or animal (other than vermin) but without causing serious injury or death. The Act is here: NSW Companion Animals Act 1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I wonder if any apporach might be made to TEAM DOG? They might know an angle for HW to take. I am thinking of options ( short of blue murder & leading a parade of activists thro' the Central Coast0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyWal Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 What if you engaged a solicitor and sent her a letter demanding she pay up? Would she escalate or fold? Sheridan she told me the other day that she was unemployed and was worried about how she would pay. She paid the bill at EVH via credit card, whether the credit card is full I don't know. Now she has an $1100 fine to pay and if she is as broke as she told me and doesn't pay it within the allotted time her licence and car registration will be cancelled. Rebanne I'm hearin' you, the screams from both of my dogs I will never forget and my feeble attempts to punch and kick the attacking dogs with my stupid arthritis will haunt me forever. While Maddie is unpredictable with other dogs, and I have made no secret of that I am well aware of what she is capable of, she knew full well she was a beaten favourite on the day and as for poor Stanley...well he didn't have a bloody chance I am heartbroken over what has happened but flogging a dead horse is pointless I feel, the law is sadly not on our side even though we abide by it to the letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Knowing HW as I do, she will not back down you can be assured of that. I believe the ranger can issue a notice to declare the dogs dangerous, then the owner has 14 days to prove they are not. If they can come up with credible evidence they are not ( I am guessing a behaviourist report) then they can have the order over turned. If it was a second incident it would hold regardless of proof or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Knowing HW as I do, she will not back down you can be assured of that. I believe the ranger can issue a notice to declare the dogs dangerous, then the owner has 14 days to prove they are not. If they can come up with credible evidence they are not ( I am guessing a behaviourist report) then they can have the order over turned. If it was a second incident it would hold regardless of proof or not. By the fact that this incident occurred the dogs already meet the definition of Dangerous or Menacing (posted above). The owner has 7 days to submit representations unless Council gives them an extension. 37 Authorised officer must consider dog owner’s objections(1) The owner has 7 days after the date the notice is given in which to object to the proposed declaration. (2) If the owner does not object within that time, the authorised officer can proceed to make the declaration after the 7 days have passed. (3) If the owner does object within that time, the authorised officer must first consider the objection before proceeding to make the declaration. (4) A reference in this section to the authorised officer is a reference to any authorised officer of the council and is not limited to the authorised officer who gave the notice. There is no definites as far as the reps are concerned. The Council must consider them but the reps submitted, even if there's a positive behaviourist report, do not automatically mean the dogs mustn't be declared. It's up to the Council's discretion whether to declare or not. The Council may choose not to declare - and may feel that $1100 fines plus the vet bills is enough of a punishment and deterrent if the owner has shown that they can and will contain the dogs in future. It's entirely up to them, and they have a broader knowledge of the entire situation than any of us here. But if they are telling you HazyWal that because it's a first offence they CAN'T declare, and that their hands are tied by the legislation - that is not true. Edited April 7, 2014 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 ahhh okay thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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