weisnjac Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Trying to find an answer to this question, being told conflicting answers. I need to know (fairly urgently) if an Associate Gundog can enter a Restricted to Gundogs Obedience Trial. If anyone has a link to an answer I would be forever grateful! (I've looked, can't find ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm not sure actually. Have you rung the trial secretary? That would be my first port of call as I bet they've dealt with this previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm not sure actually. Have you rung the trial secretary? That would be my first port of call as I bet they've dealt with this previously. We are the trial secretary's :laugh: I've always thought it was no, and everyone I have asked say's no, but exhibitor says they are and have been allowed in the past. Don't want to lose an entry, but wan't to make sure we are doing this right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm not sure actually. Have you rung the trial secretary? That would be my first port of call as I bet they've dealt with this previously. We are the trial secretary's :laugh: I've always thought it was no, and everyone I have asked say's no, but exhibitor says they are and have been allowed in the past. Don't want to lose an entry, but wan't to make sure we are doing this right thing. lol - damn! Where are you weisenjac? I can ask some folk who might know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Victoria. I'll call DOGS Vic Monday, but only have this weekend to do the catalogue, so was kinda hoping to get it sorted. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Bugger. We probably know the same people in the Gundog Club then, which is not much help! Will ask around anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Thanks :) Haven't been able to get hold of many as they are all tracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Asked the Group 5 folk here at the trial. They think no unless on Working Register. However it appears a few entries may have slipped through previously. Have also sent you a PM for a contact who may know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonwoman Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Asked the Group 5 folk here at the trial. They think no unless on Working Register. However it appears a few entries may have slipped through previously. Have also sent you a PM for a contact who may know. Depends on the wording of the schedule, whether it stipulates main or limited register or not. Sporting (not Working in Vic)Register is for dogs with papers from a "kindred body" recognised by the ANKC eg Working Kelpie Assoc, associate gundogs are not in this category, they never had papers by definition, and their recognition was to allow them to participate in RATG, not in RAFT trials Breed clubs through ignorance over the years have allowed associate dogs to compete in restricted events but it should not have happened, strictly speaking associates do not have a breed as such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairycoats Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 RULES FOR THE CONDUCT OF RETRIEVING ABILITY TESTS FOR GUNDOGS 2.2. Main and Limited Registered Gundogs (including de-sexed registered Gundogs) and Associate Dogs of a variety accepted by a Member Body as a Gundog shall be permitted to compete in Retrieving Ability Test for Gundogs in all States and/or Territories of Australia. This rule was brought in for associate owners to eventually purchase a purebred dog for them to hopefully be encouraged to enter Retrieving Trials. Restricted to Group Trials have always been for the Main and Limited Register only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Asked the Group 5 folk here at the trial. They think no unless on Working Register. However it appears a few entries may have slipped through previously. Have also sent you a PM for a contact who may know. Depends on the wording of the schedule, whether it stipulates main or limited register or not. Sporting (not Working in Vic)Register is for dogs with papers from a "kindred body" recognised by the ANKC eg Working Kelpie Assoc, associate gundogs are not in this category, they never had papers by definition, and their recognition was to allow them to participate in RATG, not in RAFT trials Breed clubs through ignorance over the years have allowed associate dogs to compete in restricted events but it should not have happened, strictly speaking associates do not have a breed as such We have not allowed it before, but as this competitor has proven that she has entered restricted to group trials before, I thought maybe something had changed. The schedule only states 'Restricted to Gundog' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairycoats Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I believe that past entries have not been checked and should not have been allowed. As per dragonwoman reply copied below. Breed clubs through ignorance over the years have allowed associate dogs to compete in restricted events but it should not have happened, strictly speaking associates do not have a breed as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubyroo Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I am aware of a non registered GSP, having been assessed by a panel of experts to confirm that it was a GSP, was eventually allowed to compete in RATG only, no retreiving trials. You could post this question on http://retrieving.org.au/bb/ as this is where I believe some of the panel can be contacted. Hope this helps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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