Salukifan Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 For what it's worth I think everyone's getting wound up over what the neighbours *might* be thinking when it's fairly clear they don't think much at all if they are not coming over to collect their dog. I was in the car yesterday and caught Richard Stubbs saying "there's no reason 2 dogs in yards next door to each other need to be miserable while their owners work 9-5 all day, talk to your neighbour, say, hey, how about our dogs have play dates while we're out working? (after all the right introductions etc etc.)." I was cheering! Talk to your neighbours, explain what is happening, tell them you like her and now she would prefer to be at your place full time. Because she is a dog and because she is a Staffy and they crave companionship. Offer to buy the dog if you sincerely want another dog. Don't offer her purchase price, offer half. Get them to sign a receipt that you have handwritten. End. I don't give a toss what the neighbours think which is probably just as well because its clear they aren't thinking much. I care about the impact of the all of this on a young dog. And as for Richard Stubbs - yeesh, where do I start??? What do you think the odds are that this dog is vaccinated? It may be that her relative isolation is offering her partial protection from diseases that dogs that get out more will bring home. And what obligation is an owner who meets their dogs social and physical needs under to provide a companion to their neighbours dog?? Other people's dogs left unsupervised with mine with access to my house? Ah, no. Like most simple solutions the devil is in the detail and there's no way Im having my neighbour's dogs loose in my yard when Im not home - who's responsible for the vet bills if there are incidents?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 thank you haredown - I'm trying to take your opinion with a pinch of salt, but frankly I think you're just downright rude. Why not find another topic? One when you can be helpful rather than offensive? I haven't insulted anyone my dear - it is you who is suggesting that I am uncaring, insulting and full of self importance. :) I have suggested that what you are doing is not helping the dog in the longer term. Rather than reacting by questioning my motives, please relfect on what I am trying to say. For example, if the neighbours won't relinquish ownership of this dog (and why would they when you're footing the bills) are you up to commitment to care for her by remaining next door for the duration of her life. What happens if one of you moves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 For what it's worth I think everyone's getting wound up over what the neighbours *might* be thinking when it's fairly clear they don't think much at all if they are not coming over to collect their dog. I was in the car yesterday and caught Richard Stubbs saying "there's no reason 2 dogs in yards next door to each other need to be miserable while their owners work 9-5 all day, talk to your neighbour, say, hey, how about our dogs have play dates while we're out working? (after all the right introductions etc etc.)." I was cheering! Talk to your neighbours, explain what is happening, tell them you like her and now she would prefer to be at your place full time. Because she is a dog and because she is a Staffy and they crave companionship. Offer to buy the dog if you sincerely want another dog. Don't offer her purchase price, offer half. Get them to sign a receipt that you have handwritten. End. I don't give a toss what the neighbours think which is probably just as well because its clear they aren't thinking much. I care about the impact of the all of this on a young dog. And as for Richard Stubbs - yeesh, where do I start??? What do you think the odds are that this dog is vaccinated? It may be that her relative isolation is offering her partial protection from diseases that dogs that get out more will bring home. And what obligation is an owner who meets their dogs social and physical needs under to provide a companion to their neighbours dog?? Other people's dogs left unsupervised with mine with access to my house? Ah, no. Like most simple solutions the devil is in the detail and there's no way Im having my neighbour's dogs loose in my yard when Im not home - who's responsible for the vet bills if there are incidents?? I don't care what individuals think about the idea. My example was to emphasise that people should talk to their neighbours, something that is sorely lacking in today's society. But you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 thank you haredown - I'm trying to take your opinion with a pinch of salt, but frankly I think you're just downright rude. Why not find another topic? One when you can be helpful rather than offensive? I haven't insulted anyone my dear - it is you who is suggesting that I am uncaring, insulting and full of self importance. :) I have suggested that what you are doing is not helping the dog in the longer term. Rather than reacting by questioning my motives, please relfect on what I am trying to say. For example, if the neighbours won't relinquish ownership of this dog (and why would they when you're footing the bills) are you up to commitment to care for her by remaining next door for the duration of her life. What happens if one of you moves? Good points HW OP - really, unless you take legal ownership of this dog .. it doesn't seem to me that she is yours to "manage" . feel sorry for her ? Of course I do .... and I suggest you just BUY her ... not expect her to stay in a gifted kennel at night happily , when she has had love ,attention and comfort in your house .It is unfair on her -- expectations of where she should be . seems she has bonded with you strongly ..so ... make it legal . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I don't care what individuals think about the idea. My example was to emphasise that people should talk to their neighbours, something that is sorely lacking in today's society. But you missed the point. I talk to my neighbours. I appeared in Court to give evidence against one of them in a DV matter. Now there's a fun situation to be in. But I stil don't want their dogs unsupervised in my back yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I don't care what individuals think about the idea. My example was to emphasise that people should talk to their neighbours, something that is sorely lacking in today's society. But you missed the point. I talk to my neighbours. I appeared in Court to give evidence against one of them in a DV matter. Now there's a fun situation to be in. But I stil don't want their dogs unsupervised in my back yard. I'm not asking you to. The OP already is though, so it's a moot point. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I think you need to mind your own business. That sounds a bit harsh, but maybe you didn't mean it the way it comes across in the written word :) Whoever said "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" nailed it as far as this situation is concerned. Someone also said, "Evil happens while good men do nothing." One person may not be able to change the world - but for this one dog I have changed her world! the last thing this world needs is another undesexed, unsocialised, scared staffy finding her way into and even worse home! Yes, one dog at a time thank you haredown - I'm trying to take your opinion with a pinch of salt, but frankly I think you're just downright rude. Why not find another topic? One when you can be helpful rather than offensive? louise6616, try not to let some posters get under your skin. You will never ever outsay them and some of them exist just to shoot others down :) . My heart is breaking too, as I listen to the 5 months old Labrador pup cry and bark in the tiny front courtyard over the road, high brick walls so she can't even see the outside world . . . and the people are home. She has a kennel which would be fine if she were a toy breed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) The OP already is though, so it's a moot point. :) Yes, and that's going so well. The OP now has a dog in her yard and she can't control when it enters. The dog is probably not vaccinated and we have parvo active in the area. If the worst happened, the OP would be unable to buy a pup or have a baby pup in her yard for years. The dog is not desexed and may come into heat soon - how will that be managed? Is the OP prepared to fend off the neighbourhood Romeos or to chase this girl down when she goes out of the yard to look for love? The dog is miserable when returned to her owners and beats a hasty retreat to the OP's yard. What happens if the OP wants to go on holidays or move house? Or the neighbours move? The answer to any or all of those questions is not :) from where I sit. She has to either become the lawful owner of the dog, call in the authorities to scare the neighbour into action or back off IMO. However the damage is now done and this dog will now be a permanent fixture in the yard. Lets hope as she matures that she doesn't take issue with the resident dogs. I will bow out and leave this to become sunshine and sparkles but please consider that you now have custody of an unvaccinated, undesexed and unmicrochipped pup who is probably also unregistered. In the event that she leaves your yard to explore the big wide world, that is a bunch of fines if she ends up impounded and your neighbours may well suggest you should pay them Edited March 28, 2014 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Good grief, Haredown. Cassandra doesn't come close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Good grief, Haredown. Cassandra doesn't come close I hope not. Turns out Cassandra was right. My view is always to plan for the worst and that way it will never happen. Call it risk management and where my dogs are concerned I am severely risk averse. I would never allow an unvaccinated dog in my yard and if I had a bitch I would be concerned about interactions between this pup and my own dog as the pup matured. SBT people know only too well how that can go. The OP has her heart in the right place - lets hope fate doesn't conspire to kick her in the arse for her kindness. We've seen these things play out that way here before. I still think the best thing is to put ownership of the dog beyond doubt and to summon the authorities if the neighbours decide to retain the pup. They can either resolve the unvaccinated, unchipped undesexed issues or surrender her to an owner who will. As the OP is not the lawful owner of the dog, she won't even be able to get the pup vet care if needed - think about it. This limboland solution to the issue is no solution at all. Edited March 28, 2014 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 The OP has her heart in the right place - lets hope fate doesn't conspire to kick her in the arse for her kindness. We've seen these things play out that way here before. I still think the best thing is to put ownership of the dog beyond doubt and to summon the authorities if the neighbours decide to retain the pup. yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Louise, the only option for you now in this situation is to do your best to buy the dog. As the dog is in heat and the neighbours at some stage expressed an interest in her having puppies you can only hope that was a random thought. If they bought the dog on a whim and find it now more of a nuisance than anything you may have a good chance that they will let her go. Either way its best to tread carefully and try not to make enemies of them. In the meantime you can tactfully provide the dog with a warm coat and second hand kennel. Are you able to also provide some enrichment toys for her to have in her yard so she at least has some distraction apart from digging under the fence?. Other than that there is not much else you can do but attempt to educate the neighbours tactfully about what a dog needs to lead a fulfilling life that will not result in annoying behaviours. Its a difficult situation and I wish you well with trying to resolve it. Perhaps concentrate on chatting to the daughter as it is her dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 HW has some very salient points that really do bear looking into thoroughly... because not to will only end in tears all around. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 She has to either become the lawful owner of the dog, call in the authorities to scare the neighbour into action or back off IMO. However the damage is now done and this dog will now be a permanent fixture in the yard. Lets hope as she matures that she doesn't take issue with the resident dogs. too late, neighbours will just say mean person next door has made dog that way (noisy) by keeping her whenever it suits neighbour. So of course dog is unsettled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flame ryder Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 You may offer to buy the dog and neighbours may say yes. But then they may go out and buy another puppy in the future and the story will start again. You can't save em all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) She has to either become the lawful owner of the dog, call in the authorities to scare the neighbour into action or back off IMO. However the damage is now done and this dog will now be a permanent fixture in the yard. Lets hope as she matures that she doesn't take issue with the resident dogs. too late, neighbours will just say mean person next door has made dog that way (noisy) by keeping her whenever it suits neighbour. So of course dog is unsettled. That won't explain the lack of shelter, vaccination, microchippin, desexing, registration etc.. Edited March 28, 2014 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mister Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I would just offer to buy her. If they say no, they say no. Unfortunately though now this dog has had a taste of 'the good life' it will be very hard to cease contact but will ultimately be the better option. There's also the option to report the dog to council. In no way would I offer money to have her in your yard, or even buy her things like a kennel. You can't let people take advantage of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Speaking from a neighbour's POV ..a story I have told before - living in the big city back in teh days of free range cats when I was at work . My Rufus used to be waiting at the door for me ..but he smelt of perfume! this went on for ages ...until one day I saw him with a lady in a flat down the laneway a little . He used to visit there while I was at work ... he had his chair & cushion by a window ..but she never fed him ..and he was always out and waiting for me when I came home . :) It suited us all - she absolutely doted on him ..couldn't have a pet in her flat ... he was safe ..and he was always waiting happily at home for me at night .. That arrangement worked for some years ..the difference being - it was Rufus' choice always to come home :) This poor little dog thinks YOU ARE her home ..and she is not a part of the other family ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 My heart is breaking too, as I listen to the 5 months old Labrador pup cry and bark in the tiny front courtyard over the road, high brick walls so she can't even see the outside world . . . and the people are home. She has a kennel which would be fine if she were a toy breed . Why would she be fine if she were a toy breed ? If one of my toy poodles lived like this it would break their heart, they would get depressed & they are not couch potatoes either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 My heart is breaking too, as I listen to the 5 months old Labrador pup cry and bark in the tiny front courtyard over the road, high brick walls so she can't even see the outside world . . . and the people are home. She has a kennel which would be fine if she were a toy breed . Why would she be fine if she were a toy breed ? If one of my toy poodles lived like this it would break their heart, they would get depressed & they are not couch potatoes either. ;) probably because the size of the kennel is small - more suited to a small breed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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