DobieMum Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I put this here, because it should be on a couple of forum topics and I couldn't decide where. I'm getting a new puppy shortly and I show, so essentially I need the stand for exam used in obedience. What I am wondering, is there any new ways of teaching this that makes it a fun game with the dog. Essentially, I would like it as a wait position, to build it up to a game straight afterwards (if that makes sense) a bit like a dog in a stay waiting to go grab their toy. What's the latest fun way of training a stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Depends on the breed & what its requirements are on the stack . Many options but training a good sound stack in the first place can vary from breed to breed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) I put this here, because it should be on a couple of forum topics and I couldn't decide where. I'm getting a new puppy shortly and I show, so essentially I need the stand for exam used in obedience. What I am wondering, is there any new ways of teaching this that makes it a fun game with the dog. Essentially, I would like it as a wait position, to build it up to a game straight afterwards (if that makes sense) a bit like a dog in a stay waiting to go grab their toy. What's the latest fun way of training a stay? You actually need something a bit more specialised. What breed of dog are you getting? Edited March 5, 2014 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobieMum Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 I can modify the game to my dog, it's a Dobie and I'll be trying to train her to stop the back legs and walk forward the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Susan Garrett has one. Sorry- this is more a teaching stand video, but you can extend from there. Edited March 5, 2014 by Staff'n'Toller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I can modify the game to my dog, it's a Dobie and I'll be trying to train her to stop the back legs and walk forward the front. Clicker :) Just shape it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobieMum Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Staffntoller that's exactly what I am after, but what have I missed. I watched the YouTube, liked her page on FB and went back to early Nov. 2012, when she put the YouTube up, but I can't find the rest of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I can modify the game to my dog, it's a Dobie and I'll be trying to train her to stop the back legs and walk forward the front. Most would teach their dogs to place the front legs and then position the back. You can't always free stack a dog. You need to be out of the judge's way when he/she assesses and examines the dog and that will mean you can't always be out front positioning. At the end of the triangle and in line ups freestacking is possible but its less doable in the examination phase IMO. Have you shown before? Have you watched what good Dobe handlers do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Training a Dobe to stack itself & hold a good carriage isn't that simple . I help train Dobes for the ring & all are taught to be stacked manually & are use to having the tail handled/touched a very important part of the ring especially when being examined by the judge . Teaching the stand que is easy teaching a pup to stack true & look good at the same time is a whole different ball game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeebie Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 From very early puppy days I did lots and lots of handling legs, belly shoulders, mouth ears everywhere possible just to get dog use to being handled, I also asked everyone who I visited + strangers to also "go over' dog not just pat on back. Took to puppy school. So step one was accomplished, at same time placing her into the required stand (stack) position and repeating stand intially with clicker and reward saw her free standing on command by time she was 6 months old. then we moved to the 'legs' command where she now pulls up from any gait (walk/trot/run)be it on lead or just playing in yard with frisbee and a hand command plus verbal 'legs' sees her stop on spot and correctly place her front feet forward. We are currently working on doing this under distraction as sometimes she becomes so interested in other dogs in or around ring she tends to 'forget' and will stop and will stand but does not alwyas hold for as long as needed. But bottom line is it is all about repetition, making it fun and having dog understand exactly what is required. Good luck and enjoy :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverStar-Aura Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I can modify the game to my dog, it's a Dobie and I'll be trying to train her to stop the back legs and walk forward the front. Most would teach their dogs to place the front legs and then position the back. That's interesting HW. I'm not involved in showing at all, but from what I've seen (I tend to watch a lot of terrier shows), the dogs are mostly placed in a stand (stack?) by their owners rather than the dog getting into position themselves. Does it really differ between breeds and if so, what is the reason behind the different standing methods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) That's interesting HW. I'm not involved in showing at all, but from what I've seen (I tend to watch a lot of terrier shows), the dogs are mostly placed in a stand (stack?) by their owners rather than the dog getting into position themselves. Does it really differ between breeds and if so, what is the reason behind the different standing methods? Most breeds are stacked differently but the same basics apply . Teaching a dog to free stack is very doable BUT for it to look awesome you also need a dog that has that special desire to work it too . A free stacked dog can look truly awful if not trained correctly or have that carriage/desire to show off .Handling the dogs early on is important as well many people make the mistake of not training there dogs to be handled & when they suddenly need to adjust the dog fights it & the look ends up bad . Stacking is also about playing the game & hiding faults & making the good parts stand out a bad stack/free stack can make or break a good dog in the ring Edited March 7, 2014 by showdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) As Showdog explained so well there is a big difference in stacked well and just standing. I'll use one of my dogs as an example. The first photo is my boy just standing around, 'stacked' by an inexperienced handler, the second is a correct stacked shot. There really is a big difference in how he presents himself in both photos. So many new exhibitors have said to me 'it's not that hard to get a dog to show' and they're right, it's not that hard with basic training but they have all come back later saying how difficult it is to make the dog show well. To the OP I train by freeshaping and encourage my dogs to free stack (it's generally expected with Samoyeds) but they're all trained to accept my touching them all over if they do need to be placed. Do you have any show training classes near by or someone with the same breed who can practise with you? It really does help to get an outside opinion on what you're doing. Edited March 7, 2014 by Bjelkier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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