persephone Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 What a gorgeous dog - I hope she now has a happy and safe life ! Well Done , all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 All the best with the next steps. Thank you to all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Who is Team Dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthless Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Me, Darren from Fetching Dogs and melzawelza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Me, Darren from Fetching Dogs and melzawelza. You're doing good. Mighty, mighty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Here's Mel's speech from tonight which sums it up so well: Blooming brilliant speech. Great point how sending rangers hunting after dogs based on appearance, diverts dog management away from actual behaviours which put community safety at risk. It's as stupid as giving police officers a list of physical attributes to concentrate on, in order to haul humans off to jail. May Ruby win through! Great result but I would point out that Ruby only came to the attention of the rangers when she was impounded for escaping her yard. A dog at large is a risk to itself and does potentially cause risk to the community. I hope her owners are appropriately grateful to Team Dog for the work put in to securing her safety AND that they take the necessary steps to ensure she never escapes again. One escape is understandable.. any more would not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan B Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Great result but I would point out that Ruby only came to the attention of the rangers when she was impounded for escaping her yard. A dog at large is a risk to itself and does potentially cause risk to the community. I hope her owners are appropriately grateful to Team Dog for the work put in to securing her safety AND that they take the necessary steps to ensure she never escapes again. One escape is understandable.. any more would not be. Mel made it clear within the Council meeting that Team Dog advocates for responsible pet ownership, which includes keeping dogs safe and secure at home. However, accidents happen, and we can all agree a dog never deserves to die because of that. If Ruby looked like any other dog, she would have been sent home with a fine. The latter is an appropriate consequence. Trying to kill a dog to teach an owner a lesson isn't. We're working with Ruby's family to ensure she doesn't escape again. Those kind of measures are already part of our Pound Prevention program, designed to keep dogs out of the pounds and with the families that love them. Whether that be training, building fences, offering low-cost vetwork, mobility assistance, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Here's Mel's speech from tonight which sums it up so well: Blooming brilliant speech. Great point how sending rangers hunting after dogs based on appearance, diverts dog management away from actual behaviours which put community safety at risk. It's as stupid as giving police officers a list of physical attributes to concentrate on, in order to haul humans off to jail. May Ruby win through! Great result but I would point out that Ruby only came to the attention of the rangers when she was impounded for escaping her yard. A dog at large is a risk to itself and does potentially cause risk to the community. I hope her owners are appropriately grateful to Team Dog for the work put in to securing her safety AND that they take the necessary steps to ensure she never escapes again. One escape is understandable.. any more would not be. I referred to the general point about the nature of BSL made in the speech.... I started my post by saying I was referring to the speech . You red- highlighted the second sentence which was about that context. Reference was made to the general flaw in the BSL strategy of dog safety management, which is that certain dogs attract pre-judged adverse ranger attention based on appearance, per se. I made a parallel with policing of human safety. It's a valid point that Ruby was out and straying, which in itself needs future monitoring by owners who face penalties.... same as for any dog that has strayed. BSL takes away a level playing field in that regard, however. That is what Ruby should win through to ... a level playing field. Edited February 26, 2014 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Fantastic news for Miss Ruby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Me, Darren from Fetching Dogs and melzawelza. You're doing good. Mighty, mighty good. It's fantastic to see committed dog lovers and those committed to getting better deals for dogs in all sorts of situations working so hard. More strength and energy to you all. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) It's a valid point that Ruby was out and straying, which in itself needs future monitoring by owners who face penalties.... same as for any dog that has strayed. BSL takes away a level playing field in that regard, however. That is what Ruby should win through to ... a level playing field. Not the same. Worse. If my dogs stray and are impounded in NSW, they will not face a death sentence based on their appearance. Sadly, some dogs do. If you have a dog at risk of BSL being imposed, you need to guard that dog's safety accordingly. You need to socialise, train, manage and contain to avoid impoundment at all costs. Puppy buyers need to understand the consequences of BSL for them and more importantly for their dogs if they are at risk of a declaration. BSL is a crock but while it remains in force and people continue to breed and buy dogs who are at risk, then Team Dog ain't going to lack for work. Owners need to step up where they can to protect their dogs. This is absolutely a case where an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure. Edited February 26, 2014 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan B Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Not the same. Worse. If my dogs stray and are impounded in NSW, they will not face a death sentence based on their appearance. Sadly, some dogs do. If you have a dog at risk of BSL being imposed, you need to guard that dog's safety accordingly. You need to socialise, train, manage and contain to avoid impoundment at all costs. Puppy buyers need to understand the consequences of BSL for them and more importantly for their dogs if they are at risk of a declaration. BSL is a crock but while it remains in force and people continue to breed and buy dogs who are at risk, then Team Dog ain't going to lack for work. Owners need to step up where they can to protect their dogs. This is absolutely a case where an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure. Totally agree with you that because of the legislation, owners of certain dogs do need to be extra careful. We're all about trying to enable owners, helping where we can, rather than doing it all for them. Ruby's family didn't know about BSL. Ruby is their first dog and they took her on to initially just look after (although obviously fell in love and became her actual owners). They obviously know now and they'll be doing everything they can to make sure she stays at home. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Me, Darren from Fetching Dogs and melzawelza. Thank you Ruth, I am a bit behind on new things: not being on FB. Amazing what a handful of people can make happen. Best wishes for step 2. I hope she is back with her family soon. Squishyface Ruby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiemum Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 If Ruby can be shown to definitively not be a restricted breed I think she should become the poster girl of a campaign to overturn NSW BSL as then the dominoes in other states might start to fall on this absolute nonsense legislation. She is a classic example and this is a classic case- study of everything that is wrong with BSL. I think it was Mita who hit it on the head. We don't imprison people based on appearance - so we shouldn't execute dogs based on appearance either. Preaching to the converted I know but this craziness makes me so mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthless Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 There is no way to definitively show the genetic make up of any mixed breed dog. The DLG revoked Ruby's declaration this morning. Her change of ownership forms have been processed and a notice of intent served. She is now allowed to go home and they have 28 days to arrange a breed assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbie_tabbie Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Yay!! So glad she can finally go home! Thanks to all who fight these stupid laws, as just an average dog owner I'd know if need support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiemum Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 1393462241[/url]' post='6431238']There is no way to definitively show the genetic make up of any mixed breed dog. The DLG revoked Ruby's declaration this morning. Her change of ownership forms have been processed and a notice of intent served. She is now allowed to go home and they have 28 days to arrange a breed assessment. I understand from a former geneticist that's not quite true - genetic testing can determine a majority breed. It's dogs with multiple/many breeds where it becomes more difficult to determine genetic type and majority breed and yet even then by definition how do you reliably classify such a dog as a restricted breed if there is no majority breed genetically? If a dog is genetically a majority unrestricted mixed breed as people seem to believe Ruby is, then legally on balance of probabilities she can't be classified as a restricted breed. Ie if her genotype is predominantly one breed, logically it doesn't matter how it expresses phenotypically (appearance). I'm really pleased that common sense has prevailed here and Ruby has gone home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Ruby went home last night :) Post here: Facebook post with video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan B Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Thank you Ruth, I am a bit behind on new things: not being on FB. Amazing what a handful of people can make happen. Best wishes for step 2. I hope she is back with her family soon. Squishyface Ruby. Isn't she gorgeous! That photos just sums it all up, for me. It was also pretty hilarious how much energy she had to get out (you can see in the video) and then about 20 minutes later, after licking the kids all over, she was chilled out in the car, waiting to go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 # It's fantastic to see committed dog lovers and those committed to getting better deals for dogs in all sorts of situations working so hard. More strength and energy to you all. Congratulations. I agree with this. We have voices. We can talk. We MUST be advocates for our dogs. AMEN ps, beyond thrilled to see the video of RUBY, home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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