mini girl Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 So am I and thanks for your advice so appreciated, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjosa Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 With Frenchies it always happens with the milk coming out of the nose, being flat faced is a draw back, but I supervise the feeding and as it starts to come out of the nose I wipe it away, pup still on teat, so as they do not panic and get milk on the lungs, also if my bitches have too much milk I express them, do not save the milk though as fresh is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Pleased all is well now Didn't comment as I haven't ever experienced milk coming out of the nose or cleft palate. Looking forward to baby pics :) & waiting for my own pups, due now. Its a worry when strange things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini girl Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 I feel like I'm on a see saw just when I thought all seemed well the little male is sucking quite a bit on the mum but has had no weight gain he is hardly maintaining his birth weight of 200 grams I am weighing him several times a day but no weight gain. The little female who was 70 grams less is doing very well and gaining daily. Both pups are quiet and suckling but don't know what to do with the little male. The mum seems to be fine nipples no longer swollen. Last night the milk came out of his nose again so wiped his face and left him. His mother is cleaning them and she licks the milk when it gets all over his face. I remember reading somewhere a spot of nutrigel may help. He is only 4 days today. Even though he is maintaining 200 grams he should be gaining by now. The tiny female is catching up and has gained over 40 grams. Thinking of giving him some divetalact by dropper to see if that helps. I have never tube fed before and it really scares me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 can you weigh him before and after a feed? he may be sucking, but not getting a full belly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini girl Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 I think that could be what is happening I gave him about 2 mill of divetalact. Was very slow just drop by drop into his mouth by dropper but some still came out of the nose. He seems surprisingly strong though and is on the nipple a lot. I am going to do a google on what other reasons can cause this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 it does sound as if there is a problem with his mouth/throat . You said his jaw wasn't even ... and this also makes me think there could be another problem back further - something else not put together properly ? Ultrasound? Xray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I Thinking of giving him some divetalact by dropper to see if that helps. I have never tube fed before and it really scares me. Me too. However tube feeding would not be a good idea at this stage. Harsh as it sounds there would be no point or kindness in keeping him going & getting weight on if there is something wrong & he can never feed himself but by all means try the dropper or a tiny teat & observe what is occurring. At least that way you can see where the milk is going. Meanwhile back on the phone to the vet. Sometimes they miss things on tiny puppies. Best of luck with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini girl Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 I Thinking of giving him some divetalact by dropper to see if that helps. I have never tube fed before and it really scares me. Me too. However tube feeding would not be a good idea at this stage. Harsh as it sounds there would be no point or kindness in keeping him going & getting weight on if there is something wrong & he can never feed himself but by all means try the dropper or a tiny teat & observe what is occurring. At least that way you can see where the milk is going. Meanwhile back on the phone to the vet. Sometimes they miss things on tiny puppies. Best of luck with him. Yes know what you mean Christina. A few years ago I struggled to keep a tiny pup going only to end iup loosing her at two weeks that was so awful to go through. Funny though he seems so strong and never cries. I can't help but wonder if perhaps it's due to his young mother. Have read there can be birth defects in young mothers as much as old mothers. I don't own the mother but did breed her. Sold her to very nice couple who wanted to breed after the husband retired. They also bought a lovely male pup to use as a future stud and sent him away for her first heat but seems brought him home too early. There was one only accidental mating both dogs were around 10 months. Had her scanned for the owner at 6 weeks revealed two pups but two spaces where pups were re absorbed. I am helping them out as the timing is so hard for them. Moving into a newly built house and both working full time. They are lovely people and feel they will probably be ok at breeding down the track. Was going to let the pups and mum go home at 2 weeks when they have leave. I did ring her last night to let her know there was a problem would be so hard if I just rang with bad news if he doesn't make it. My plan now is to supplement him with a tiny amount of divetalact every 2 hours and wait and see. Thankfully the little girl pup is doing great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidley Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Just popped back to see how your little one is doing. Sorry to hear that he's not gaining weight as you'd expect, no advice but think your plan to sup feed and see is a good idea :) Thinking of you and your little pups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini girl Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 Thanks Heidley, well he was really not putting on weight and going backwards so today went to my reproduction vet specialist as he had arranged for one of the vet nurses to teach me how to tube feed. He had one feed at the vets and I gave him another two hours later. You can see his nice little round tummy now. He is sound asleep in a separate basket and I will tube feed him every 2 hours so this is all I can do. He is a really strong little fellow though still wants to drink from his mother but after a very short time the nose starts to have the milk come out so will keep him from doing that for a while. Hope he comes good I have done all I can. Will keep you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidley Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Thanks for the update mini girl. Hope it's onwards and upwards for him from here, you have given him all possible chances :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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