tdierikx Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 If you don't have anywhere for them to go, and you don't have the room to keep the numbers you are breeding - wouldn't it make more sense to NOT bloody well breed them at all? (as opposed to "necessary" culling of unneeded "stock") T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Yes that is true, however they are apparently breeding for conservation not breeding for profit. Farmers are either breeding stud animals to be sold or meat animals. Still not comparable. Even when you are not breeding for profit you have to conserve your resources to be able to do the most good - its not a bottomless pit and every animal they keep alive that cant contribute is one they cant have that can contribute. Farmers can only keep the best animals to breed with regardless of what they will do with them. The goals may be different though some would argue that protecting a purebred cattle breed's bloodline is not much different to protecting a lion's but its the same result - you cant just keep animals that are no longer needed for the gene pool. They were still contributing by bringing people through the turnstiles. The females they want to breed from where only born in 2012, they could have made more of an effort to find homes for the 2 young ones they killed. What are they going to do in a couple of years? Kill off the parents and any male cubs and bring another new male in? Imagine if dog breeders did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 Yes that is true, however they are apparently breeding for conservation not breeding for profit. Farmers are either breeding stud animals to be sold or meat animals. Still not comparable. Even when you are not breeding for profit you have to conserve your resources to be able to do the most good - its not a bottomless pit and every animal they keep alive that cant contribute is one they cant have that can contribute. Farmers can only keep the best animals to breed with regardless of what they will do with them. The goals may be different though some would argue that protecting a purebred cattle breed's bloodline is not much different to protecting a lion's but its the same result - you cant just keep animals that are no longer needed for the gene pool. They were still contributing by bringing people through the turnstiles. The females they want to breed from where only born in 2012, they could have made more of an effort to find homes for the 2 young ones they killed. What are they going to do in a couple of years? Kill off the parents and any male cubs and bring another new male in? Imagine if dog breeders did this. Some dog breeders [ puppy farmers ] do exactly this. By the way Im not saying they are right and that they shouldn't have looked harder for a better method of disposing of them via other zoos etc but unwanted animals are killed all the time to make way for new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 It's not acceptable to overbreed and result in issues requiring regular culling - especially when you are doing so in the name of "conservation" of an endangered species... If you don't believe in contraception, then FFS separate the males and females until such time as you DO have room for them or their offspring. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Generally if a farmer is breeding for meat they breed to send to market, any animals that can no longer contribute by being barren etc are culled yes. If they require new bloodlines more males are brought in so fathers don't mate daughters etc. Usually a farmer has a surplus of rams and bulls to cover any unforseen issues such as injury, early death etc. They don't breed them then go oh crap, can't breed them theya re too close, off with their heads. If a stud breeds animals in excess of their requirements, they sell them. It is rare a good stud breeder will have any issues selling excess breeding stock. Also they don't just top their males every few years. The good ones are kept until they are old, well thought out breeding programs take all this into account, and many good breeders will allow them to live out their last few years. Not all farmers just kill everything that cannot reproduce, especially if they are an old animal that has made a large contribution. It seems to me whoever is in control of these breeding programs has no bloody idea and even less of an ability to think about future breedings/bloodlines. They should be sacked. Many otehr zoos use contraceptives and move animals to other zzos very successfully. This lot are morons. Whatever code of ethics or whatever it is they adhere to is severly lacking. As a farmer of beef cattle previously and fat lambs now, I do not think I am anything like these mob of imbiciles and will not be lumped into them. The beef/lamb breeding ventures that happen here have far more thought put into them than this lot put into their animal management of lack thereof! Edited March 29, 2014 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 http://www.theglobaledition.com/copenhagen-zoo-kills-four-healthy-staff-members-to-make-space-for-new-employees/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 And now they are adding insult to injury by making a joke out of putting down humans. No doubt to take the emphasis off the previous issues. Unfreakingbelievable!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Not funny... *sigh* T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 If they'd written the original story about Marius on April 1st we probably would've thought it was a joke too, in poor taste, but still would've thought it so ridiculous as to be untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Does this zoo honestly think that is funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I think they're having a dig at the zoo and how the zookeepers should be put down instead of the animals. And how ridiculous the laws are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I think they're having a dig at the zoo and how the zookeepers should be put down instead of the animals. And how ridiculous the laws are. Ah, yes. I think we get that :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 (edited) There are far worse things happening in the exotic animal trade. According to http://terriermandot...ike-adults.html Zoos routinely over-breed animals because tiger cubs and baby zebras boost attendance and generate profits. Cute baby animals quickly grow up, however, and that's a problem. It turns out that the world has more caged lions, tigers and zebras than it knows what to do with. What to do? Answer: canned shooting preserves in Texas. It's not an accident that at one point nine board members of the San Antonio Zoo owned hunt preserves. Not all exotic animals used in canned hunts come from large zoos. Many come from small zoos and private breeders of large exotic animals. If you have a checkbook in this country, you can buy anything from a lion to a bear, and from a bobcat to a gemsbok. And if you have ever bought a wildlife magazine with amazing shots of baby cougars, lynx, red fox, black bear, and wolf, you are a small part of the problem. Most of those pictures were taken in private "photography zoos," and at least some of those baby animals were later sold, as adults, to canned hunts. Edited April 3, 2014 by sandgrubber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 A zoo in Switzerland has euthanised a healthy 3 month old bear cub after a male bear killed its sibling. What were they doing in the same enclosure??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 And why euth the one who survived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Apparently because they didn't want this one to be attacked as well. Got to love their logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Oh for gods sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2600588/Swiss-zoo-bear-cub-spare-distress-father-began-bully-it.html ETA Warning; pics. Edited April 9, 2014 by Cody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 http://www.dailymail...n-bully-it.html ETA Warning; pics. Quoting from the article: 'Zoos have too many captive bears and it is almost impossible to send them somewhere. Surplus bears have to be euthanised, and it is better to do that at a very young age when the mortality in nature is also the highest.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 How about not breeding them???? Oh no sorry that would take brains, of course, silly me!!! Morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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