teekay Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Can I ask what breed this pup is? Maybe someone on here could point you in the right direction of a reputable registered breeder. As has been pointed out $900 is a lot of money for byb pup. You may be surprised that a lot of purebred dogs do not cost that much or are thereabouts, depending on breed. Please heed the advice on here and walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I can't believe that the breeder even thought about ringing prospective owners and asked if they wanted their pups early... I'll be generous and think perhaps inexperience and a degree of panic may have been a factor ..... unacceptable - but possible . This is what stops me from telling the OP to RUN!! The "breeder" needs education and a better vet. No not a registered breeder, I think she just panicked and was worried about mum that's what I'm worried about paying 900 for a puppy that may have not had the best start in life worries me, but I feel for this puppy what will happen to her What are the chances that she really is a concerned persons who is not getting good advice? Let's face it, there are plenty of really good people who honestly believe that their dog is so beautiful she or he should be bred from. They have no idea of the numbers of animals who die in pounds, who languish in pet stores, who are badly bred and suffer the consequences of health issues all their lives. Is this breeder up for an education and advice from experts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) I can't believe that the breeder even thought about ringing prospective owners and asked if they wanted their pups early... I'll be generous and think perhaps inexperience and a degree of panic may have been a factor ..... unacceptable - but possible . This is what stops me from telling the OP to RUN!! The "breeder" needs education and a better vet. No not a registered breeder, I think she just panicked and was worried about mum that's what I'm worried about paying 900 for a puppy that may have not had the best start in life worries me, but I feel for this puppy what will happen to her What are the chances that she really is a concerned persons who is not getting good advice? Let's face it, there are plenty of really good people who honestly believe that their dog is so beautiful she or he should be bred from. They have no idea of the numbers of animals who die in pounds, who languish in pet stores, who are badly bred and suffer the consequences of health issues all their lives. Is this breeder up for an education and advice from experts? I absolutely see your point DD. There is every possibility that this is just another ill informed, unexperienced byb. That said, even if this is the case, I would still discourage people from giving them any business. Ignorant breeders produce baby heartaches every day without a single clue. The OP is not experienced enough to give the breeder guidance, so I don't see much else DOLers can do, except to advise the OP about how/where to invest their money more wisely. OP, for $900, you should be able to find a healthy puppy that has been bred and raised properly. It can be difficult to cut ties if you are feeling sorry for the puppy, but like others suggest, the best way to teach these bybs is to vote with your wallet. She breeds cause she can sell puppies. And who is to say that the bitch even has mastitis? I am not necessarily suggesting this person is lying, she may well be perfectly honest, but there is a chance that this is what she does with each litter to move them on asap??... just putting it out there Edited February 9, 2014 by Starkehre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 If you can tell us the breed you want people here will most likely send you private messages with names of breeders they can recommend. Please buy from a registered breeder, and do your research beforehand to make sure all the appropriate health testing is done on the parents. A vet check on the pups is NOT health testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 If I were in the OP's situation, I'd be doing everything possible to take a visit and to see and assess the situation with my own eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Sorry double post Edited February 9, 2014 by Danny's Darling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) triple post Edited February 9, 2014 by Danny's Darling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Anyone who would even think of flicking their pups off at 4 weeks of age can really not have the best interests of the pups at heart. "Ignorant" "ill-informed" or just "panicing" - are not excuses. Any quick google search will show you how important those weeks with the litter mates are so there really is no excuse for not knowing - preferably before the litter arrives. What health tests have the parents had - this would be my number 1 concern, because if they care so little about the future of the pups it doesn't really suggest to me that they would care much about the basics. If they are unregistered breeders of an ANKC recognised breed then run away, very very quickly. I can only think of a few breeds where the price of a pup from a registered ethical breeder is so much more than $900 that buying one unregistered would seem like a good deal - and all of the breeds I can think of come with a higher price tag because of the extensive health testing required to breed them. If the pup is a cross bred then run away even faster, that is a rediculous sum for a cross bred dog (yes I know you pay more than this for mutts in pet shops, that doesn't make it any less rediculous) If the pup is from a breed in development (thinking Australian Bulldog for one) then the same advice as an ANKC breed applies - my understanding is that any genuine breeder of a breed-in-development has to comply with some very strict rules to get their dogs in the club's register/studbook. Edited February 9, 2014 by Sandra777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I couldn't agree with you more, Sandra777. I have been burned and spurned more times than I care to remember, but somehow I still keep hoping that humans are basically decent and honest. If there is the slightest chance that this "breeder" is just ignorant, ill advised by her vet, I'd be pursuing it in the hope of saving mum and any future pups from that. I am certainly not telling the OP to turn a blind eye and take her pup. Quite the opposite. I am saying investigate, investigate, investigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I would be willing to bet that the breeder's vet did not say sending on at 4 weeks is okay. Dealing with bite inhibition of an 8 week old raised carefully from an excellent breeder is still quite a handful. Can't imagine what it will be like with a 4 week old from a breeder with very little care or experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Agree with everyone. This is not a breeder to be getting a pup from. Many responsible breeders sometimes have to deal with situations where mum can't feed the pups. Even bottle feeding babies around the clock from birth. Absolutely no excuse for letting pups go before 8 weeks of age. This person does sound inexperienced and misinformed and perhaps the vet is too. But there is so much information out there that any breeder willing to spend a little time researching what they are doing could not fail to come across info about the benefits of the litter being together until at least 8 weeks and the documented difficulties experienced by the owners of pups who went to their homes at a younger age. My concern is too that because of this lack of knowledge, the breeder is not going to be in a place to provide any support to a puppy owner. Waiting and buying from a more knowledgable breeder will be well worth it IMO. I know you may be disappointed, but patience pays off. As mentioned, let people know the breed and perhps they can direct you to better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippa Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 If I were in the OP's situation, I'd be doing everything possible to take a visit and to see and assess the situation with my own eyes. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I think you have a breeder who is in experienced and who knows no better than to take the vets advice. If it was a more knowledgeable breeder they would know that you dont need to panic and how to deal with it and still let the puppies get the benefit of the socialisation the Mum and litter mates provide. I would explain that you would prefer the pup to stay because its important to you that it learns to act like a dog form its Mum and litter mates and that youcan be confident that its vaccinations are working before you bring it home - or alternative - I no longer have confidence in you and would prefer to go elsewhere for a puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) If I were in the OP's situation, I'd be doing everything possible to take a visit and to see and assess the situation with my own eyes. Why? Read my other posts in this thread. And Steve's post above. Edited February 9, 2014 by Danny's Darling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Great advice from everyone, and Steve put so eloquently how you could word what you say to the breeder. Please please please don't fall into the trap of feeling sorry for the puppy or unable to say no to the breeder and taking it early, you will be setting yourself up for an incredibly difficult and unenjoyable time raising a puppy who has nowhere near learnt the "dog" life skills it needs, and you (or any human) cannot possibly teach it what it needs to learn from mum and litter mates . Good luck :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ams Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 It may also be a standard line with this breeder. 4 weeks of age is when the breeder actually has to do the bulk of the work and cleaning up after puppies.They are hard work then as they are active, loud, eating, pooping machines with razor sharp puppy teeth. They need a lot of attention and care from here on in. If she gets the sympathy of even half the puppy buyers and they come and pick up the pups then that is a whole heap less work for her to do. Please do not take the puppy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Hi sorry the owner got back to me I misunderstood her there is no way she would let the pups leave at 4 weeks at the earliest 6 weeks if all ok but she has had the vet out to mum this morning and the pups are ok to feed off her just not that infected back teat ATM, she sounds like she really cares about her dogs I have taken on all your advice and I probably will not buy this puppy though, I didn't realise there was such a stigma with buying a not official breeder puppy, these puppies are here now and need good homes so it's really a catch 22 at this stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Thank you Steve I have expresses to her the pup needs to be with mum longer as it learns so many valuable lessons in that time I honestly think she is inexperienced and just panicked she loves her dogs a lot you can tell that they are golden retrievers puppy's will be vet checked vaccinated wormed chopped etc I think she got caught and is doing the best she can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Thank you Steve I have expresses to her the pup needs to be with mum longer as it learns so many valuable lessons in that time I honestly think she is inexperienced and just panicked she loves her dogs a lot you can tell that they are golden retrievers puppy's will be vet checked vaccinated wormed chopped etc I think she got caught and is doing the best she can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ams Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Cheys, The stigma is over ethics and experience. Breeding just because you can, or because you didn't desex earlier enough and don't have the experience or a mentor to know the right things to do isn't the right thing for the dogs. BYB feed off "accidental" litters or "what am I gonna do with all these little puppies if you don't take one". 6 weeks is still too young for them to leave. If she panicked over mastitis then what other things is she doing incorrectly or what things has she missed that should be done? By going to a registered breeder you are able to see the parentage of the dogs and know they are not inbred, that the correct tests for that breed have been done. With a byb you get nothing and buying a puppy from an inexperienced breeder sets off all sorts of alarm bells. Please don't take one of these pups. Edited February 9, 2014 by Ams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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