JulesP Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I *think* the new Supercoat teethy chews are helping. I say think because I changed a few things at the same time! They certainly take the dogs longer to chew than the Greenies or Dentastix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I have used the Proden PlaqueOff for years with the greatest of success. In fact NO plaque at all, but then I do feed bones that will help break it away from the teeth. It is just not Seaweed. It is special type of Seaweed. But like all things the cost are rising and if this is the same as the one used in PlaqueOff and does the same job I will use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) I can give you a recipe to make a great dog's tooth paste, help you with which herbs to add to its food to help keep bacteria away from the teeth and dissolve some of the plaque + offer you some suggestions for some common foods to feed to help if you like - depending on how bad the teeth are now you may need to go and have one more vet clean but there are several things you can do to prevent it needing to happen again. There's also nothing stopping you from using a tooth scaler yourself = a little bit every few days if your dog is O.K. about you doing stuff like that. Hi Steve. I'd be very interested. I have to be reasonably cautious about what I use/feed as he has proven to be very sensitive to protein. What I initially thought were gum ulcers have been diagnosed (via Melbourne Zoo Dental specialist) to be the gum's reaction to protein. I did try that stuff that a number of us bought in ….. what was the name of it? Ummm, something to do with seaweed or something or other. I didn't see any great difference from its use and I admit that I wasn't comfortable with it working on the basis of altering the acidity of the dog's natural saliva. Especially not for Mandela, who is so super sensitive to so much, and especially back then when I really was having so much trouble with his digestive system. I've used a scaler, but I don't seem to get very far. It doesn't 'crack' off and I can spend an absolute age, with the teeth not looking all that much better/whiter. My boy is really very good - he's well used to being poked and probed by me :D . I admit that I should be paying his teeth more attention more frequently, but it does seem to be a constant thing that doesn't achieve much, in my instance. He won't chew on bones anymore, or if he does, it is very rarely and not for long. I'm only thinking that the reason for this is that perhaps his gums are tender due to the sensitivity reaction to protein. was it wakame? No - it was the Proden. BUT, update on the teeth cleaning. I went back to it late last night with the scaler and success!! I think it was with a renewed determination and a dose of confidence that did the trick. Was too scared of doing the wrong thing previously but now found the knack and realise what I was doing wrong before. Mandela was great and laid with his head in my lap letting me work away. Where his upper molars were brown ….. now back to white! Gave them a brush over and then a wipe over with Calendula Tea after the clean. I'm thrilled and relieved, as I knew a dental was very much on the cards in the not too distant future. Edited February 3, 2014 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Were did you get the scaler from Erny? Mine are fine with me fiddling with their teeth so might give that a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) To be honest, I can't recall. I know I got it on-line. It was actually a collection of them. Titled as "dental scalers" when I googled for them, I found out when they arrived that they are actually instruments used in art design and are called "Wax Carvers". I was a bit disappointed with the quality as I expected dental instruments to be a bit more 'precision refined' so to speak and I was concerned that I'd been duped, but people on the forum here indicated that Wax Carvers were ok to use. I did get a dental 'pick' (I'm sorry - I'm not up with the proper names of these things) - I'm pretty sure it was from one of the DOLers here. I find the pick handy for tight spaces, but last night i found the more broad ends of one of the other instruments better. I was more confident handling the broader/blunter instruments too as they are less open to accidental error by me. Got to be very watchful that your dog doesn't suddenly jump around and cop it in the eye. So take your time. Do read up about scaling. There's a tonne of bacteria in tartar build up and hygiene for dog (and owner) is something to be mindful of. Also, scrape down and away from the gum. I was surprised last night - I went into it with a bit more strength behind the scaler and a bit closer to the gum line than I'd previously been game to do. Pieces of the tartar broke off and I was buoyed by the sudden appearance of white tooth underneath. That lent me the confidence I needed to proceed. Before that, I was scared I was actually damaging the surface enamel, but until last night, didn't realise how far away from the enamel I really was. Edited to add : I think my previously failed attempts at the use of the scaler were not a complete waste of time. Sure - I'd used the instruments a lot more gently to the point of being inadequate for the job, but these numerous attempts also served as a good intro to the use of the scalers on Mandela's teeth, which gave him the chance to learn to settle, lay in a position that helped me, and let me play around in his mouth with them. That was also a contributing factor to the success I had last night. If you need, I'll look through my PayPal and Ebay history to track down the seller, JulesP. Edited February 4, 2014 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Thanks. Clipper World sell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Sorry I took so long to answer your question Oakway but I had appointments in town and had to nick off quick-smart to catch the ferry. I can't track down who the people I bought the kelp powder from but did a search and came up with a couple of Aussie suppliers 1) My Daily Vita--> http://mydailyvita.c...e=shopping_cart 454g (approx 16oz->1LB) $15.95 +$8.50 shipping 2) Fishpond--> http://www.fishpond....g/9999127328501 $29.95 for 454g, free shipping 3) Aussie Well--> http://www.aussie-we...er+Organic+1+lb $37.95 for 1LB Free shipping So the cheapest seems to be # 1....My Daily Vita The Starwest Kelp Powder is Ascophyllum Nodosum D1070 which is the kelp species in Proden Plaque Of, it is powder, not granules (Proden is granules) I give the dogs (average weight 8kg) a bit under an 1/8 teaspoon twice daily (a 1/4 teaspoon not-quite-half-full) Edited February 4, 2014 by Boronia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) I suspect trying to get kelp through customs would be a problem so best to order from an Australian site. Edited February 4, 2014 by cavNrott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Thanks Boronia and CavNrott. That's half the problem you just get so sick and tired with dealing with customs. I'll do my best to get it within Aust. :) and thanks for the sites Boronia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisys Mum Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I brush my dogs teeth every night.. As soon as the brushes and paste come out they sit there patiently waiting :) I also put plaque remover in their drinking water as back up .. Can't remember the name.. I get it from Petstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Hi All, Just a heads up on the seaweed Ascophyllum Nodosum. I went with Starwest Botanicals (Aust.), cost was for about 500 grams (1 pound) for $37.95 post free, which I thought was a good price, but me being me put the product into E-Bay and came up with the same product at $15.95 plus postage of $7.90. No prizes for guessing where I purchased from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Hi All, Just a heads up on the seaweed Ascophyllum Nodosum. I went with Starwest Botanicals (Aust.), cost was for about 500 grams (1 pound) for $37.95 post free, which I thought was a good price, but me being me put the product into E-Bay and came up with the same product at $15.95 plus postage of $7.90. No prizes for guessing where I purchased from. I am close to running out Oakway and I had a look on ebay for it but couldn't find one at a similar price to yours. Can you give me/us some more clues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 see if this helps. I have copied this from my payment site. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171219134460&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Hi All, Just a heads up on the seaweed Ascophyllum Nodosum. I went with Starwest Botanicals (Aust.), cost was for about 500 grams (1 pound) for $37.95 post free, which I thought was a good price, but me being me put the product into E-Bay and came up with the same product at $15.95 plus postage of $7.90. No prizes for guessing where I purchased from. I am close to running out Oakway and I had a look on ebay for it but couldn't find one at a similar price to yours. Can you give me/us some more clues? If you do a search for kelp powder on eBay and then make sure the kelp is Ascophyllum Nodosum you will be on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Hi All, Just a heads up on the seaweed Ascophyllum Nodosum. I went with Starwest Botanicals (Aust.), cost was for about 500 grams (1 pound) for $37.95 post free, which I thought was a good price, but me being me put the product into E-Bay and came up with the same product at $15.95 plus postage of $7.90. No prizes for guessing where I purchased from. I am close to running out Oakway and I had a look on ebay for it but couldn't find one at a similar price to yours. Can you give me/us some more clues? If you do a search for kelp powder on eBay and then make sure the kelp is Ascophyllum Nodosum you will be on the right track. I DID! but either I, or my computer, is/are having a dyslexic week :laugh: (my grammar could also do with a brush-up) Thanks Oakway for the link. From Brain-dead Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Hi All, Just a heads up on the seaweed Ascophyllum Nodosum. I went with Starwest Botanicals (Aust.), cost was for about 500 grams (1 pound) for $37.95 post free, which I thought was a good price, but me being me put the product into E-Bay and came up with the same product at $15.95 plus postage of $7.90. No prizes for guessing where I purchased from. I am close to running out Oakway and I had a look on ebay for it but couldn't find one at a similar price to yours. Can you give me/us some more clues? If you do a search for kelp powder on eBay and then make sure the kelp is Ascophyllum Nodosum you will be on the right track. I DID! but either I, or my computer, is/are having a dyslexic week :laugh: (my grammar could also do with a brush-up) Thanks Oakway for the link. From Brain-dead Me No problems, I have a computer like that too. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Erny, have you tried you dog on things such as the transfer factor and Vit C, both of which are supposed to boost the immune system? Particularly the Transfer Factor, which I understand is basically bovine colostrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Hi All, Just a heads up on the seaweed Ascophyllum Nodosum. I went with Starwest Botanicals (Aust.), cost was for about 500 grams (1 pound) for $37.95 post free, which I thought was a good price, but me being me put the product into E-Bay and came up with the same product at $15.95 plus postage of $7.90. No prizes for guessing where I purchased from. I am close to running out Oakway and I had a look on ebay for it but couldn't find one at a similar price to yours. Can you give me/us some more clues? If you do a search for kelp powder on eBay and then make sure the kelp is Ascophyllum Nodosum you will be on the right track. I DID! but either I, or my computer, is/are having a dyslexic week :laugh: (my grammar could also do with a brush-up) Thanks Oakway for the link. From Brain-dead Me I can supply your organic Ascophyllum Nodosum with a dogz discount. 450g or 1kg bags if you are interested.Link Edited February 22, 2014 by Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essentialdog Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I do not know of a any vets in Australia that will do a teeth clean without the GA. Reason being is they move around too much and the procedure is stressful for the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) I do not know of a any vets in Australia that will do a teeth clean without the GA. Reason being is they move around too much and the procedure is stressful for the dog. I wouldn't want my dogs to suffer the stress of teeth cleaning without anaesthesia. Hell, I would prefer anaesthesia for my own dental work. Edited February 22, 2014 by cavNrott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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