Boronia Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 There is was a notice on our local noticeboard this morning for 5 week old Bull Arab/Mastiff pups for sale. I contacted our local council to find out the minimum age for sale of pups, the counter-person phoned Animal Management who told her that if I felt that the pups were at risk or too young I needed to contact the RSPCA. I asked the counter-person (politely) why should I contact the RSPCA as I was of the understanding that the minimum age is 8 weeks and what does the RSPCA have to do with Qld or local government. Anyway...is there Qld legislation on the minimum age? If so, I will send it to Animal Management for their education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) A google search bought up the answer for me in the first hit: Minimum age of animals for acquisition for sale, subject to maturity, should be: (i) dogs—eight weeks (seven weeks for large breeds) (ii) cats—eight weeks http://www.daff.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/60126/QldCodeOfPracticeForPetShops.pdf http://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/documents/bf/breeder-code-practice(1).pdf Breeders can't sell until they are 8 weeks either, according to the second link which won't let me copy and paste the quote. Edited January 14, 2014 by minimax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ams Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The RSCPA is empowered to investigate under the Animal Care and Protection Act, so the Govt is quite happy having any and all animal welfare matters being referred to the RSCPA as it means Govt coffers are freed up for other spending. Occasionally you may get a law enforcement officer who will investigate a cruelty complaint but they are usually after hours and emergency ones. If you make a complaint to the RSPCA they will investigate it and you can ask for feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I wonder if they are advertising that they are 5 weeks, but would then say to interested parties that they will be ready to go to new homes at 8 weeks? No doubt I am being optimistic here :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Probably just being optimistic Yonjuro I pointed out the age minimum to someone selling underage kittens on a FB page a week ago and also politely explained the health and behavioural issues they can have as a result and his response was "oh well I don't think it's that big a deal" and he'd given them all away pretty soon because apparently no one else cared either I've lived with a cat who was given away too early and she was a nightmare, I'd never do that again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I am sure you are right KC. If I was in the situation with a litter of 5 weeks olds (god forbid, and it will never happen) I would probably want to advertise early so the pups would have homes to go to at 8 weeks. I am sure if someone is really interested in finding out they could just call up and ask when they are ready to go to their new homes. If indeed it is 5 weeks then they should certainly be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't have an issue with people saying 'I will have a litter available on X date', the ones who care usually make that very clear if they are advertising before then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You can "sell" a puppy at any age (many are "purchased" prior to birth even), but the age that a puppy can actually GO to a new home is mandated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Good point Ellz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Well I did phone the RSPCA and spoke to a very helpful woman who suggested my phoning the council, speaking to a ranger and ask him to talk to the owners of the pups (by the way the ad says 'ready now') advising them of the drawbacks on homing the pups at such a young age. The RSPCA woman also said that I should make it clear to the ranger that I am concerned about the lack of socialisation the pups will have if they leave home in 5 weeks. I will phone the ranger tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 "ready now" that is very bad, I hope you have luck in getting them prosecuted. Some people have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) A google search bought up the answer for me in the first hit: Minimum age of animals for acquisition for sale, subject to maturity, should be: (i) dogs—eight weeks (seven weeks for large breeds) (ii) cats—eight weeks http://www.daff.qld....ForPetShops.pdf http://www.goldcoast...code-practice(1).pdf Breeders can't sell until they are 8 weeks either, according to the second link which won't let me copy and paste the quote. This says they should be not that they must be so its not enforceable edited to add some would argue that a pup can be better socialised with its new family and other animals it has to live with earlier if it is weaned etc - I dont think you will get any joy But take a look at whether they are able to sell them unvaccinated or un chipped as its doubtful they would have these things done at that age. Some councils in Q have different codes as well so that will play a role too - look for state legislation and the word must in the codes Edited January 14, 2014 by Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 A google search bought up the answer for me in the first hit: Minimum age of animals for acquisition for sale, subject to maturity, should be: (i) dogs—eight weeks (seven weeks for large breeds) (ii) cats—eight weeks http://www.daff.qld....ForPetShops.pdf http://www.goldcoast...code-practice(1).pdf Breeders can't sell until they are 8 weeks either, according to the second link which won't let me copy and paste the quote. This says they should be not that they must be so its not enforceable That's for the acquisition of sale (for pet shops), so they can't (should't) buy them before they are 8 weeks. The breeder guidelines says: The holder of the permit must not sell an animal of a litter which is a dog, or otherwise dispose of the dog, unless the dog is at least eight- weeks-of age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 A google search bought up the answer for me in the first hit: Minimum age of animals for acquisition for sale, subject to maturity, should be: (i) dogs—eight weeks (seven weeks for large breeds) (ii) cats—eight weeks http://www.daff.qld....ForPetShops.pdf http://www.goldcoast...code-practice(1).pdf Breeders can't sell until they are 8 weeks either, according to the second link which won't let me copy and paste the quote. This says they should be not that they must be so its not enforceable That's for the acquisition of sale (for pet shops), so they can't (should't) buy them before they are 8 weeks. The breeder guidelines says: The holder of the permit must not sell an animal of a litter which is a dog, or otherwise dispose of the dog, unless the dog is at least eight- weeks-of age O.K. - GOOD must means its enforceable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 A google search bought up the answer for me in the first hit: Minimum age of animals for acquisition for sale, subject to maturity, should be: (i) dogs—eight weeks (seven weeks for large breeds) (ii) cats—eight weeks http://www.daff.qld....ForPetShops.pdf http://www.goldcoast...code-practice(1).pdf Breeders can't sell until they are 8 weeks either, according to the second link which won't let me copy and paste the quote. This says they should be not that they must be so its not enforceable That's for the acquisition of sale (for pet shops), so they can't (should't) buy them before they are 8 weeks. The breeder guidelines says: The holder of the permit must not sell an animal of a litter which is a dog, or otherwise dispose of the dog, unless the dog is at least eight- weeks-of age Unless something has changed recently I think you will find that this is not state wide legislation in Queensland so it will depend on which shire you are in and the RSPCA Can only enforce prevention of cruelty to animals laws in that state not council by laws. Gold coast council has a pilot program running with a cop but none of it has ever been enforced - people are still advertising without their permit number etc and no one wants to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 The holder of the permit must not sell an animal of a litter which is a dog, or otherwise dispose of the dog, unless the dog is at least eight- weeks-of age I doubt very much if the parent(s) are even registered. The permit only seems to apply to petshops. On checking local-laws there doesn't appear to be much the council can do apart from checking to make sure that there are no more than 2 dogs on the property over and certain age, (ie, not pups) or have a permit for 3 dogs. microchipping is at 12 weeks. I'll give them a ring and find out more info/council policy this afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It looks like you need to have a council permit to breed, so if they don't they could get pinged for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystiqview Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 8 weeks. It is also legislation (animal management act 2008) that all breeders are to microchip pups prior to sale. At 5 weeks, they are generally avoiding the above. Council officers Do have the power to investigate and prosecute for failure to adhere to animal management act and also their own council by laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystiqview Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 As for breeder permits Depends on which council. Both Brisbane and Moreton Shire require ALL breeders (ANkc and in Moreton Shire including BYB) to have council breeder permits. Ipswich used to not have breeder permits, but don't know what they do now. Don't know Logan or Gold Coast. At minimum the dogs need to be registered with council. Bris city do not provide permits for non registered (there is from memory ankc, greyhound and other registriea) so by a BYB breeding they are already contravening their Local Laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esky the husky Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Sadly thats the norm for a lot of pigdog breeds to be sold earlier than 6 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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