So Why Are Breeders Reluctant To Advertise Where There Is A Demand For

[Rebanne]

So Angeluca where all your enquires from DOL good ones? Cause I got a couple of doozies with my last litter from my DOL listing. And tyre kickers. And only 3 enquiries from Gumtree, none any good.

about 95% i'd say,

Did you have people chasing a pup they could breed with to get height or speed in their pigging BA???

95% that were good is good!

The gumtree ones were 2 sending standard emails, I'll buy the whole litter thing, how much, when it was only one pup advertised and yes one was from a woman who got very irate I didn't want any greyhound of mine doing what it was bred to do, catch bunnies on her property. I looked her up and then reported her for selling underage pig dog pups :laugh: A few tyre kickers from the DOL listing including a couple of people who wanted to argue the breed with me, never having owned one, but google had told them several things (incorrect) and wouldn't believe me when I said their info was wrong. Except for one person who was new to showing, all my pups have gone to other greyhound show people in Australia and the 2 pet ones went to Hawaii.

eta so I have found that there wasn't really much difference between quality of puppy buyers between DOL or Gumtree and only a tad more DOL enquiries then Gumtree ones. Too many cheap or free ones to be had

Edited January 2, 2014 by Rebanne

[Steve]

Anyone in 2014 who is looking for a puppy can just as easily look on any website to find a puppy or a breeder.

If what they are looking for isnt on one site they look for another . You get good and bad people from any website especially if you are clear in your ad what it is you do and what you are advertising.

The reality is that dogz has a set of criteria which has limited those advertising to a small group of breeders - those who are registered as ANKC breeders so if someone is looking for a registered purebred dog its likely that they will come to sites like this first. There is no guarantee that the people looking will find a better breeder or a better puppy and definitely no guarantee that you can only find great homes from people who sourced your contact details from this site or any other. In fact some who advertise here are pretty dodgy and without going into some of the reasons why I say that believe it or not there are lots of people who dont know about dogz and that doesnt make them lesser potential puppy buyers or lesser breeders.

This isnt about whether breeders should advertise in newspapers or less restrictive websites or whether a breeder should advertise at all its about the illusion and the propaganda pushed by animal rights that many of us have swallowed.

A good breeder doesn't need to advertise - and of course breeders who advertise on dogz don't NEED to advertise right?

A good breeder will have a waiting list and wont breed a litter until they are sure they are all spoken for - if we all really did that it makes for a hell of a lot of very patient and disappointed people , wasted time and we would still have some times when we didn't have homes when its home time.

I have personally witnessed a well known , well respected breeder who handed over 8 puppies to a dealer which were taken over the border and sold to a pet shop because she was too concerned about how she would look if she were seen to be advertising her puppies. I have spoken with registered purebred breeders who have had their puppies PTS rather than be seen to be a bad breeder and needing to advertise. Two days ago I spoke with a breeder who has some left out of her litter which is now 18 weeks old and the only reason I can see for that is that she will only advertise on dogz.She should be able to sell her puppies easier than me as she lives in a more populated area but is more worried about how she will look than doing what is best for the puppies and her family and finding them new homes.

Some of us will sell all of our puppies without effort and without needing to advertise in a place where breeders of all types advertise some of us will not and that doesnt make us bad breeders or breeders who breed large numbers if that's an option we use. Some of us just happen to like advertising in numerous places to spread the word about us and our breed.

Some of us dont have swish websites,one of the best breeders Ive ever met [won Master breeder of the year too ], doesnt have a computer and no access to email, some of us dont want to keep a list of people who want a puppy when they ring and probably wont in 12 months when the pups are born or if they still do are shattered when the bitch has the wrong sex or the wrong colour etc.

Some of us only want to sell locally so we advertise only in local papers.

Some of us live in the boonies so the puppy buyers are not as easy to find.

Some of us dont belong to a breed club, some of us believe it or not have a beef with dogz and prefer not to advertise here .

There are not many things I can think of where those who have something to sell wont advertise it in certain places in fear of who else is advertising there and how they will look.

[Steph M]

Not always so I'm sure. Who is to say a wait list determines your quality as a breeder? I know lots of people have posted on here they don't keep a wait list these days, or some breeds are less or overly common and easy to come by. What a silly blanket statement that is!

I'm not sure if you are replying to me but in my experience the people who say you shouldn't advertise on places like Gumtree do usually follow it up with you shouldn't be breeding if you don't have plenty of homes lined up.

Was directed at Florise, sorry rebanne!

[Roova]

Wouldn't the problem of tyre kickers and lots of questions about temperament be answered by really informative ads?

I've seen lots of ads on DOL with bare minimum information and the price rarely mentioned. I don't know why price is such a secret? If the price was mentioned, and maybe a bit about the temperament of each puppy and who they'd suit along with ' price not negotiable', wouldn't that help avoid people who don't suit?

Especially if it was followed by a short description of the parents both being health tested (where necessary) and what socialisation has happened to make the price unnegotiable. It would certainly show that person has put more effort into raising great puppies than Joe Bloggs down the street who dropped their price when asked.

I saw a great ad on Gumtree a while back where the seller had a picture of each pup and what they were like. Each comment mentioned what type of family that pup might best suit. For example it said something like 'I'm Ted. I'm adventurous and bold and am the first in to everything. I would suit someone who wants to do agility or dog obedience so I don't end up ruling your family' etc.

At a minimum it could let those uneducated (about dogs) know there's more to buying a puppy than which one looks the cutest.

[minimax]

When I was looking for my pups I went directly to breeders websites via google. It was from there I discovered DOL, not the other way around.

[gwp4me]

I think for a registered breeder to have to advertise on Gumtree ~ would mean sinking very low, how could you build up a good reputation selling from a crap website? By advertising on Dolforum ~ you would give a buyer utmost confidence in the quality of your breeding stock, and it would be much more classy. Then again, I am of the old school, I found my fav GWP breeder by word of mouth ~ many years ago, with pups of said place always selling out fast, orders going in before they are ready to go, yes, notification of next litter can also be found on Dolforum.

[Airedaler]

Reputable breeders don't need to advertise on those sites as they have people lining up and waiting for pups.

Not necessarily. I considered myself a good and reputable breeder but as I only had one litter a year I never had a waiting list because I did not think it fair to ask people (even if they would) to wait for that time for a pup from me.

DOL is a commercial resource like anything else, I don't see it any different to advertising anywhere else.

In part I agree with BalckJaq who says we need to breed more in order to make ethically well bred dogs more readily available but unless one has several breeding bitches that is not easy to do and having more than one breeding bitch is becoming more and more difficult for the average hobby breeder.

[Sandra777]

I think for a registered breeder to have to advertise on Gumtree ~ would mean sinking very low, how could you build up a good reputation selling from a crap website? By advertising on Dolforum ~ you would give a buyer utmost confidence in the quality of your breeding stock, and it would be much more classy. Then again, I am of the old school, I found my fav GWP breeder by word of mouth ~ many years ago, with pups of said place always selling out fast, orders going in before they are ready to go, yes, notification of next litter can also be found on Dolforum.

I suggest you check out the litters listed on DOL for Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Pretty hard to sink lower than that, even by using Gumtree.

[Florise]

Not always so I'm sure. Who is to say a wait list determines your quality as a breeder? I know lots of people have posted on here they don't keep a wait list these days, or some breeds are less or overly common and easy to come by. What a silly blanket statement that is!

I'm not sure if you are replying to me but in my experience the people who say you shouldn't advertise on places like Gumtree do usually follow it up with you shouldn't be breeding if you don't have plenty of homes lined up.

Was directed at Florise, sorry rebanne!

I didn't say a wait list determines your quality as a breeder. Nor did I say it was a good thing to have a wait list. And I am silly because I have been waiting 12 months for a pup from my chosen breeder? How can someone get a point across when people can't comprehend simple statements and then attack you for something THEY decided you said? time to exit this thread.

Edited January 2, 2014 by Florise

[Steve]

I think for a registered breeder to have to advertise on Gumtree ~ would mean sinking very low, how could you build up a good reputation selling from a crap website? By advertising on Dolforum ~ you would give a buyer utmost confidence in the quality of your breeding stock, and it would be much more classy. Then again, I am of the old school, I found my fav GWP breeder by word of mouth ~ many years ago, with pups of said place always selling out fast, orders going in before they are ready to go, yes, notification of next litter can also be found on Dolforum.

Are you kidding? Do you seriously think that breeders who advertise on Dogz all have quality breeding stock and do the right thing?

Better take a better look.

[Salukifan]

I think for a registered breeder to have to advertise on Gumtree ~ would mean sinking very low, how could you build up a good reputation selling from a crap website? By advertising on Dolforum ~ you would give a buyer utmost confidence in the quality of your breeding stock, and it would be much more classy. Then again, I am of the old school, I found my fav GWP breeder by word of mouth ~ many years ago, with pups of said place always selling out fast, orders going in before they are ready to go, yes, notification of next litter can also be found on Dolforum.

Are you kidding? Do you seriously think that breeders who advertise on Dogz all have quality breeding stock and do the right thing?

Better take a better look.

Amen to that. There are ANKC registered breeders who I could NEVER recommend.

[Angeluca]

Wouldn't the problem of tyre kickers and lots of questions about temperament be answered by really informative ads?

I've seen lots of ads on DOL with bare minimum information and the price rarely mentioned. I don't know why price is such a secret? If the price was mentioned, and maybe a bit about the temperament of each puppy and who they'd suit along with ' price not negotiable', wouldn't that help avoid people who don't suit?

Especially if it was followed by a short description of the parents both being health tested (where necessary) and what socialisation has happened to make the price unnegotiable. It would certainly show that person has put more effort into raising great puppies than Joe Bloggs down the street who dropped their price when asked.

I saw a great ad on Gumtree a while back where the seller had a picture of each pup and what they were like. Each comment mentioned what type of family that pup might best suit. For example it said something like 'I'm Ted. I'm adventurous and bold and am the first in to everything. I would suit someone who wants to do agility or dog obedience so I don't end up ruling your family' etc.

At a minimum it could let those uneducated (about dogs) know there's more to buying a puppy than which one looks the cutest.

Some ads I posted took ages to write, included temperament, price, health results and the registered name, and the pups were to be on a limited Dogs QLD (ANKC) register. and still spent an hour explaining it all before getting asked to take $200 off to not register them,

This happened multiple times.

I have no issues with people advertising I think if thats what needs to be done so be it.

I advertise my litter shortly after whelp, I see them and I panic a little and feel a strong urge to make sure each has a home of their own. I also like to have time to get to know people. I give everyone of them weekly updates on what the pups have been upto and a bunch of pics.

My buyers have said they loved this yes they had to wait 6 weeks but it was like they knew them when they came home. I have had people say the whole family gathers around the lap top at breakfast to see the pups.

I encourage them all to visit multiple times if they like but I'm pretty far out so more then once doesn't usually happen. When the time comes for the pups to leave I am confident I've done the best I can for them.

At the end of the day that is who you should be obligated to, not the market and not the image of a 'Breeder'.

let the gossips talk, if you find your pups loving homes via a classified website who really cares.

The only reason I don't is the volume of people inquiring, I get more then I need from DOL, often refer the buyers back to the site if mine are all on hold, but I caution them to ask questions as some can be a bit less then above board. If i had a lesser known breed with a smaller market I would have ads on very site that comes up when I type X puppies, or puppies for sale.

Edited January 2, 2014 by Angeluca

[BlackJaq]

I think for a registered breeder to have to advertise on Gumtree ~ would mean sinking very low, how could you build up a good reputation selling from a crap website? By advertising on Dolforum ~ you would give a buyer utmost confidence in the quality of your breeding stock, and it would be much more classy. Then again, I am of the old school, I found my fav GWP breeder by word of mouth ~ many years ago, with pups of said place always selling out fast, orders going in before they are ready to go, yes, notification of next litter can also be found on Dolforum.

This is exactly the kind of judgmental crap that makes people do the things that Steve mentioned.

I initially found my Wei breeder on the trading post. The dog turned out to be perfect for what I wanted and at three years old is the dog that matches my personality and style to a T. In my opinion this breeder did a great job, even though she was breeding for pets rather than for her own use or for show prospects.

She keeps in touch with all puppy buyers who are happy to do so and always responds promptly when and if I email her with an update or question. I don't even know if she advertised on DOL at all.

ETA: As somebody else has said, some people simply do not know about DOL and such. Maybe some TV ads for good places to look for pups might be helpful to at least let the average Joe know that DOL and paces like it exist.

Edited January 2, 2014 by BlackJaq

[Steph M]

Not always so I'm sure. Who is to say a wait list determines your quality as a breeder? I know lots of people have posted on here they don't keep a wait list these days, or some breeds are less or overly common and easy to come by. What a silly blanket statement that is!

I'm not sure if you are replying to me but in my experience the people who say you shouldn't advertise on places like Gumtree do usually follow it up with you shouldn't be breeding if you don't have plenty of homes lined up.

Was directed at Florise, sorry rebanne!

I didn't say a wait list determines your quality as a breeder. Nor did I say it was a good thing to have a wait list. And I am silly because I have been waiting 12 months for a pup from my chosen breeder? How can someone get a point across when people can't comprehend simple statements and then attack you for something THEY decided you said? time to exit this thread.

Sorry, I apologise. Posting from my phone on little sleep doesn’t help.

What I meant was it seemed so odd to say reputable breeders should have people lining up, so do plenty of dodgy ones, and plenty of fabulous breeders do not.

There’s a whole heap of variables underlying in that statement that just makes it read like a real stinker.

Apologies for my muffled initial response, but still a load of crap.

We waited over 12 months for our dog, we also had one offered to us instantly by one very very good breeder and one fairly shonky one.

We’d made a decision and we stuck to it, but sometimes people cancel, things happen, breeders/customers might change their mind.

I can’t say I would blame a breeder for casting the net far and wide in search of the ideal home. It might not always just magically appear to you.

Whoever said the problem can be solved with more information is spot on! You’ll always get one or two time wasters but you can cut those off at the knee early with complete and comprehensive info in your add.

[Leah82]

I occasionally look at the cocker spaniel puppy listings (dreaming of course) and came across this corker :D

Please also note...we have said the pups are BLACK, yes the sire is Gold so they have the gold gene, and yes cocker spaniels DO come in other colours, but the only colours that are available in THIS particular litter is black, not roan, not pink, not blue, not gold, not black and white, but BLACK (all over)...and NO they will NOT change colour as they get older...they are BLACK!

[gwp4me]

I think for a registered breeder to have to advertise on Gumtree ~ would mean sinking very low, how could you build up a good reputation selling from a crap website? By advertising on Dolforum ~ you would give a buyer utmost confidence in the quality of your breeding stock, and it would be much more classy. Then again, I am of the old school, I found my fav GWP breeder by word of mouth ~ many years ago, with pups of said place always selling out fast, orders going in before they are ready to go, yes, notification of next litter can also be found on Dolforum.

I suggest you check out the litters listed on DOL for Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Pretty hard to sink lower than that, even by using Gumtree.

Noticed that. While there are so many of these pour souls turning up at the pounds, still..................

[Steph M]

I think for a registered breeder to have to advertise on Gumtree ~ would mean sinking very low, how could you build up a good reputation selling from a crap website? By advertising on Dolforum ~ you would give a buyer utmost confidence in the quality of your breeding stock, and it would be much more classy. Then again, I am of the old school, I found my fav GWP breeder by word of mouth ~ many years ago, with pups of said place always selling out fast, orders going in before they are ready to go, yes, notification of next litter can also be found on Dolforum.

I suggest you check out the litters listed on DOL for Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Pretty hard to sink lower than that, even by using Gumtree.

Noticed that. While there are so many of these pour souls turning up at the pounds, still..................

IMO the dodgy ones are a lot of the cause. Registered or not.

[gwp4me]

I must be used to a breeder who does not breed for large numbers/turnover, imports new bloodlines, has Aus. champions/show winners - not a very common breed at any time - to have to flog it.

[Christina]

More decent reputable registered breeders need to & should advertise on sites like Gumtree & Petlink & in the newspapers.

How on earth are people going to know where to find them if they are not on the most common & popular places people look & the sites that come up most in the search engines when they go looking ?

If people looking in these places can see a registered breeder advertising & what they offer for a comparative price to some of these ridiculous crosses & pure breeds that don't even look like the breed, let alone know about health tests, then maybe they would be more inclined to go to a registered breeder.

They can't come to you if they don't know you are there. Unless a person is particularly dog savvy there is so much the general public don't know about dogs & many think if they only want a pet it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Its not sinking low & many good & reputable cat breeders do advertise on such sites without all this judgemental crap from other breeders.

Where a breeder advertises is the least factor in whether they are a good breeder.

[sas]

It's not just breeder frowned upon, Rescuers were also once frowned upon for listing their dogs in such places - to frown upon it would be saying that you don't have the basic skills to weed out unsuitable folk.