Puppy Buyers

[Dame Aussie]

FWIW I wouldnt get an 8 weeks old if I had to work away 9-10 hrs a day and it remained alone without any contact or stimulation from anything.

Everyone's working situation is different I suppose, for my lifestyle now an 8 weeks old pup would be by my side mostly, or baby sat. But I just wouldn't leave an 8 weeks old to its own devises. I'd probably come back to an eaten out lounge chair or something .

Neither would I. And yet, I've managed to raise 5 pups working full time whilst NEVER leaving a pup alone for so long. Its about the level of commitment you're prepared to make to a pup, not whether or not you work.

God knows what some breeders think of those who raise litters while having full time jobs.

That would classify as "special assistance", would it not? Hmm?

Not to me. Nothing "special" about it. You do what is best for the pup and give it what it needs. That's what responsible, committed dog owners do whether they work or not.

But from the sounds of things you'd have not even given my home a second thought Jed. This is a quote from your original post.

I had an enquiry for a pup from someone who works full time. I said "no", but I know someone will sell them one.I've been breeding for a long time, and it never works. The pup is too much on its own, so personality and training suffers. It is also sad and lonely. Many end up being rehomed as older teenagers.

I'd like to think that quite a few full time workers including me have proven that statement wrong. It works if you're prepared to put the effort into making it work.

Well said.

[Jed]

FWIW I wouldnt get an 8 weeks old if I had to work away 9-10 hrs a day and it remained alone without any contact or stimulation from anything.

Everyone's working situation is different I suppose, for my lifestyle now an 8 weeks old pup would be by my side mostly, or baby sat. But I just wouldn't leave an 8 weeks old to its own devises. I'd probably come back to an eaten out lounge chair or something .

Neither would I. And yet, I've managed to raise 5 pups working full time whilst NEVER leaving a pup alone for so long. Its about the level of commitment you're prepared to make to a pup, not whether or not you work.

God knows what some breeders think of those who raise litters while having full time jobs.

That would classify as "special assistance", would it not? Hmm?

Not to me. Nothing "special" about it. You do what is best for the pup and give it what it needs. That's what responsible, committed dog owners do whether they work or not.

But from the sounds of things you'd have not even given my home a second thought Jed. This is a quote from your original post.

I had an enquiry for a pup from someone who works full time. I said "no", but I know someone will sell them one.I've been breeding for a long time, and it never works. The pup is too much on its own, so personality and training suffers. It is also sad and lonely. Many end up being rehomed as older teenagers.

I'd like to think that quite a few full time workers including me have proven that statement wrong. It works if you're prepared to put the effort into making it work.

If you had read it in the context of the entire post, you would not be writing this - although perhaps you would.

I would like to point out that quite a few full time workers - excluding you - have proven to me that statement correct, over quite a lot of years, so now people who work full time need to demonstrate to me that they have "special arrangements " (or whatever you want to call it) in place, prior to purchasing the pup, so that I know I will not be receiving a poorly socialised, poorly trained, unhappy and desolate dog back to re-educate and rehome.

I would prefer not to go down that track at all than to have the product of poor ownership skills return to my doorstep. I have other criteria obviously, but this post was not about that.

You will find that approximately 80% of responsible ethical dog breeders will agree 100% with this point of view.

I don't post very often,but if you (collective) couldn't be bothered comprehending my posts, why not ignore them?

[Salukifan]

If you had read it in the context of the entire post, you would not be writing this - although perhaps you would.

I would like to point out that quite a few full time workers - excluding you - have proven to me that statement correct, over quite a lot of years, so now people who work full time need to demonstrate to me that they have "special arrangements " (or whatever you want to call it) in place, prior to purchasing the pup, so that I know I will not be receiving a poorly socialised, poorly trained, unhappy and desolate dog back to re-educate and rehome.

I would prefer not to go down that track at all than to have the product of poor ownership skills return to my doorstep. I have other criteria obviously, but this post was not about that.

You will find that approximately 80% of responsible ethical dog breeders will agree 100% with this point of view.

I don't post very often,but if you (collective) couldn't be bothered comprehending my posts, why not ignore them?

There is nothing personal in my statements but if you choose to infer that there is, there is little I can do about it.

I HAVE read your entire post and those that followed. What part of "I won't sell to people who work full time because it never works" have I failed to comprehend??

I'm delighted that there are at least six other breeders who think differently.

God knows what a potential purebred puppy buyer is going to make of "80% of breeders won't sell to working homes". Way to drive them into the arms of BYBs and petshops Jed.

Edited January 1, 2014 by Haredown Whippets

[Staffyluv]

When I bring home a new pup it is raised separately to my other dogs, they don't run or play together. I don't get a dog to keep my other dogs company.

When it comes to the amount of time you spend with pups and your dogs IMO quality is far more important than quantity. Every interaction we have with our dogs is training them and spending lots of time with your dog doesn't mean it is valuable time.

I really like this bit of Huski's post..

[Jed]

First 3 sentences of original post

If you work full time, please reconsider your decision to buy an 8 week old pup. There is NO way you are going to be able to raise it properly - unless you have some special assistance.The pup is the one who will suffer.

If you cannot live without a dog, how about getting an adult - and if you want a purebred dog - there is probably a rescue of the breed - get it settled, and then get the pup for company.

HW, if people want to patronise pet shops, byb and puppy farms, that is their business. If they want to patronise those places because I wont sell them a pup, that is their choice. None of my business, I am not the puppy police. If those places want to sell to them, that is their business. My job is to find the very best homes I can for my pups.

If you chose to see my post as personal, please feel free. By the time I put sufficient riders and disclaimers on my posts to keep everyone on this forum happy, they would go on for pages. This post was not for you, it was for anyone contemplating buying a puppy - without giving thought to what arrangements they would make to avoid it being home alone for 12 hours per day.

Edited to say - from where I am - at the pointy end, there are a lot of people who decide they want a pup without giving much thought to the nuts and bolts of puppy ownership. Maybe after this fight and nasty fest, they may give more thought to their ownership of a puppy.

Edited January 1, 2014 by Jed

[Roova]

I would have responded to your first post with agreement if it was worded as above. It must be hard trying to judge people who want one of your puppies, I don't envy you that job.

On the other side of the coin, hopefully all the posts showed there are a lot of people who work full-time who do make an effort and do their best to provide a great home from puppyhood into adulthood. :)

[Yonjuro]

[Dame Aussie]

:laugh:

[minimax]

[raz]

LMAO

[Angeluca]

+1

[Steph M]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Steph M]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Ivory & Beau]

Poor Badger and Ivy.

I do see what Jed means, she has worded it VERY badly.

Working full time and taking home a breed of puppy [mixed or pure] you have not researched and is too energetic for your courtyard will not work out in most households. But doing this and not working full time can also lead to disaster.

I took home a Belgian Shepherd puppy and I was a full time worker, at the time. Ivy is now a very well adjusted 5 and a half year old.

[shapeshifter]

Edited January 1, 2014 by shapeshifter

[redangel]

Multiple dog house here...and yes I have raised a singleton dog from pup. I find it hard to appreciate how one would pay for all the expenses required to maintain a dog and not work generally speaking. Self funded retirees maybe... Does the OP mean single person households???

Taking it on board and looking into generalisations...puppy may by this clause well to a home in rented premises as non working dog owners tend not to own too many houses. No guessing how many dogs are rehomed due to rental placements, ask a shelter. Many of these non -working owners also depend on emergency loans to get their vet bills paid...and seeing the "loan" is not for more than a few hundred...thats not a lot of medical attention.

Generalizations over, whether you are full time or part time or home all the time a dog left in a four wall yard unattended, socialized and with little enrichment will not thrive. It is how much you invest in the dog with your situation that is the matter here...not everything is black and white. Just my opinion of course.

..it hasnt been raised but I have fostered dogs that have had an owner 24/7 that have had the worst separation anxiety. Never given the chance they have had no opportunity to develop their own confidence to adjust to changes.

I understand that a breeder needs to examine the pros and cons of every applicant but indeed I feel some great homes may well be overlooked. That being said Jed is entitled to her opinion as to where she places her pups. I choose to disagree because I have seen evidence of bad & good in working/non working situations and think placing a decision on this alone is way too simple.

Edited January 1, 2014 by redangel

[BlackJaq]

I think we can probably all agree that leaving a baby puppy, or even an older puppy, completely on its own for 10-12 hours consecutively is a bad idea.

Methinks a lot of people are adopting the mantle of righteous indignation when they were not even the type of owner being described in the OP.... I understand that some people would feel offended if anybody, anywhere, at all, made a statement that might vaguely concern them not being good owners but most people seem to be just plain missing the point Jed has now re-clarified about 5 times.....

Yes, the phrasing of the OP was confrontational and not very.. umm.. well put, but some people seem to be purposely misunderstanding now. Not sure if from lack of reading or previously mentioned righteous indignation...

[Christina]

I will never post on here anything about how I select my puppy buyers People don't even read it properly.

Somewhere recently I read that people tend to grasp onto the first 3 sentences they read or 3 opening lines they hear & later on they can put in anything & many won't even notice.

Must be how some lunatic laws & regulations get passed.

Crazy thread but still entertaining.

[JustUs]

This was a very interesting thread.

I'm still pretty much a newbie but just wanted to say that when we talked about getting our new boy, now 11 weeks old. It was discussed with two options and they were....will I return to work or should we get a pup. We got the pup and I won't be returning to work in the foreseeable future.

Maybe we are lucky and maybe things will change later down the track but that was how our decision was made, along with the kids giving up our next USA holiday....well it's postponed for a couple of years as we made a commitment to this puppy and for me that means no boarding etc until I think he would cope with it

[Angeluca]

This was a very interesting thread.

I'm still pretty much a newbie but just wanted to say that when we talked about getting our new boy, now 11 weeks old. It was discussed with two options and they were....will I return to work or should we get a pup. We got the pup and I won't be returning to work in the foreseeable future.

Maybe we are lucky and maybe things will change later down the track but that was how our decision was made, along with the kids giving up our next USA holiday....well it's postponed for a couple of years as we made a commitment to this puppy and for me that means no boarding etc until I think he would cope with it

It's a personal choice for each family, breeder too their prerogative if they wish to choose not to sell to a working household.

The conversation started probably the wrong way, by saying it never works, that's been proven otherwise but that is because that is what those families wanted and were able to adjust their lives to accommodate. For Some this probably meant changing the time they spent at home more then not working, Some just don't have the choice to take time off for whatever reason, life is expensive. But they managed and are happy they put it the effort.

Others are a 1 income family or work from home, retired/pensioners, took holidays or took their dogs to work. The point is whatever works is fine so long as it works, every stereo type has there lazy/neglectful owners.

the saying you can't push Sh*t up hill

maybe it should be You can push sh*t up hill, if your willing to try hard enough!

Edited January 2, 2014 by Angeluca