Puppy Buyers

[YvonneM]

What a load of crap!!! I - like all of the other contributors to this thread - work full time and have done since we bought our puppy home at 8 weeks. He is now 10 months and is a happy, well adjusted little boy with no issues that cause me any concern. He gets regular walks either before I go to work or when I get home and we go to training at our local kennel club once a week. We also have doggy friends we catch up with regularly and we take him visiting and on outings where possible.

Plenty of my friends work full time and have successfully raised their puppies from 8 weeks!!!

What on earth makes you think someone working full time can't raise a puppy successfully??????

[cowanbree]

I think it depends. Some people who want a cute 8 week old baby and work full time expect to just pick it up and then troop off to work the next day leaving the puppy home alone for 9-10hrs. I don't find that acceptable and don't sell to that type of home, don't need to as I have plenty to choose from.

If however you can come home for lunch or have someone popping in for an hour to feed and play with the puppy or similar we will talk further. I also want to hear commitment to the dog, not a huge social life that basically means the dog sees you for 1/2 hr a day before you race out to meet friends. I am not saying you can't have a life but activities every night and working full time isn't really fair on a dog. I also far prefer that there is more than one dog.

I personally work full time but whenever I have a litter either I or someone also visits at least once a day. I figure if I can commit to that until they are 3-4mths why would a pet home be able to

[Dame Aussie]

Just weird. So Jed, as a breeder you would prefer your puppies to go to only retired, partially employed or unemployed people?

I gotta say that some breeders do seem to have a bit of a god complex, and yep more potential owners off to the pet shop or the byb when attitudes like this prevail. Luckily there are many wonderful breeders out there.

My puppy comes home on Thursday and the breeder has been the beyond awesome.

Incidentally, I work from home and am fully aware that I will have the flip side to the problem - I will need to be very proactive in managing dependancy and separation anxiety as I will possibly have too much contact with my puppy.

Agree with all of this. No wonder people decide breeders aren't worth the trouble and go to BYBs or pet shops.

Good thing I won't ever be coming to you for a puppy :laugh: although at the moment I'm not working full time I have raised two dogs whilst doing so with no issues whatsoever, as have the overwhelming majority of people responding.

How else should we pay for our dogs? You offering Jed? Didn't think so :laugh:

[Jed]

No, this is not an experiment and it is not crap. You are, however, entitled to your opinion.

I have been breeding long enough to have seen every sort of disaster known, and a lot of them involve people who work full time.

This is aimed at people who want ONE puppy.

Wreckitwhippet, I believe you have numerous dogs, so your input is not relevant. I have had pups too - but there have been other dogs as well. I also understood from previous posts that you stayed at home with all new litters? Things have changed apparently.

You (collective) leave for work at 7,30 to get there by 8 or 8.30. You get home at 5.30 or 6. That means that the pup is alone for about 10 hours a day. You presumably sleep for 6 hours. That means the pup is alone for 16 hours. You are awake for 6 hours - and in this time, you do housework, cook, wash, go out sometimes, see friends, do the garden, and train the pup, play with the pup, care for the pup.

Everyone thinks they are doing a fantastic job with their dogs, whether they are or not. Everyone argues that they are doing a great job, whether they are or not. No one accepts they are doing a bad job,and all will argue they are doing a great job - while the dog suffers.

People who are charged with cruelty often think they are doing a great job and fight the charge.

If you thought, like wreckitwhippet, that this was aimed at people with more than 1 pup, think again. It is aimed at people who mean to buy one 8 week old pup and continue to work full time.

Megan has the dog walker, so doesn't count. StephM, you think he is happy; he has no choice. What will he do, write to the RSPCA, run away?

dotadash

Another full time worker here, and my pup is 13 weeks old and going very well. I also have a 2 year old dog who has managed just fine.

And now you have 2 dogs. Wonder whether you went to some trouble to keep the 2 year old happy when he was a pup?

tdierikx - I have never known you to have just one dog.

silent child

I also work full time and although I hate being away from my dogs, I have never had problems with it.. usually I can juggle my work hours with my partner so the animals are never left alone for too long.

No problem there, the dog does not appear to be alone all day. You have made provisions to cater for his needs

It is ok if you can make arrangements for the pup to have alternatives but not if you can't.

Obviously, some of you don't get it, or can't read. If one person reads this and re-considers getting a pup, it is worth it.

If you are a breeder, and are happy to sell pups to people who will leave the pup alone for 12 or so hours per day, it's none of my business. The person I rejected can go to you to get one. You will be happy, you will have a sale, they will be happy, they will have a pup. Will the pup be happy?

No one cares, really.

It doesn't matter if you are offended because you have raised one dog from a pup - what matters is making people think before they do it. There are far too many teenage dogs dumped. All of them were wanted pups, some of them wanted by people who worked full time and thought they could cope, and found they had a dog with problems, that they didn't want any more. There are far too many poorly trained and behaved dogs. There are far too many unsocialised dogs, too many fear biters. Working full time is not the cause of all these problems, but it can be one cause.

Yep, puppies from me are for people who either don't work, or have something in place so that the pup does not spend 10 - 12 hours a day alone.

[Jed]

What a load of crap!!! I - like all of the other contributors to this thread - work full time and have done since we bought our puppy home at 8 weeks. He is now 10 months and is a happy, well adjusted little boy with no issues that cause me any concern. He gets regular walks either before I go to work or when I get home and we go to training at our local kennel club once a week. We also have doggy friends we catch up with regularly and we take him visiting and on outings where possible.

Plenty of my friends work full time and have successfully raised their puppies from 8 weeks!!!

What on earth makes you think someone working full time can't raise a puppy successfully??????

How many dogs have you had in your lifetime YvonneM?

How many have you raised to adulthood?

How many have you raised to adulthood since you worked full time?

How much time to you spend on walks with your dog?

Why did you think you would make a good dog owner?

Edited December 31, 2013 by Jed

[Steph M]

Well sorry guys. We are all useless puppy raisers and should all be ashamed. I for one am off to take my miserable and disposable dogs out for tea and then to a friends place for a play with their dogs and a swim for new years eve.

Beats being blatantly insulted by someone who so clearly knows my dog and my situation better than I.

[karly101]

If i didn't work full time I wouldn't be able to pay for my dogs supply of Atopica medication haha. I think one thing you are assuming wrong is that full time workers work a normal working day! I work on a rotating roster and rarely do 730 - 5 every day.

I have one dog (my sisters dog lives with me but he's an unsociable dog who spends very little time with mine). I don't have a dog walker but when I'm not working I tend to be spending time with my dog. I was able to take my pup into work occasionally at a young age or a friend sometimes stopped over but sometimes he was alone for that period of time. He's never suffered from separation anxiety and is always left with stuff to do (yes occasionally as a pup he'd create his own fun!). He's now 3, and now my sister is home and she says all he does is sleep most of the day.

Everyone's situation is different, I know plenty of people who do not work and the dog sits in the back yard all day. Plenty of retirees who have a dog but are never at home or always travelling (and dog ends up constantly at the kennels). Do you apply the same criteria to them too or just assume because they aren't working they will be with the dog?

[Jed]

Someone asked .......

"recent" homes

mid-50s professional, wife at home, 3rd dog of the breed they have owned

gay couple with 2 dogs who take dogs to work 2 - 4 days/week

couple with own business, wife works from home office

young couple who live in a granny flat, both work, dog has access to parents

Young couple, 2 children, shift workers - mostly different shifts

full time worker, takes pup to parents every day

Married couple with children, both work, have older dog of the breed. The pup was a replacement for very old dog which died.

couple, no children, man is a plumber, dog goes out on the job with him

All different, all reasonable homes. There are dozens of suitable and different situations.

I know that people need to work, and I know that people who stay at home need to go out, and the pup/dog will be alone for some of the time. That's fine, what is not fine is alone all day, every day.

And if you think that is ok, you are kiddin yourself!!

[minimax]

you assume people who don't work are home all day, every day? What planet do you live on, I'd like to visit one day. It seems whacky and insane.

[Jed]

If i didn't work full time I wouldn't be able to pay for my dogs supply of Atopica medication haha. I think one thing you are assuming wrong is that full time workers work a normal working day! I work on a rotating roster and rarely do 730 - 5 every day.

I have one dog (my sisters dog lives with me but he's an unsociable dog who spends very little time with mine). I don't have a dog walker but when I'm not working I tend to be spending time with my dog. I was able to take my pup into work occasionally at a young age or a friend sometimes stopped over but sometimes he was alone for that period of time. He's never suffered from separation anxiety and is always left with stuff to do (yes occasionally as a pup he'd create his own fun!). He's now 3, and now my sister is home and she says all he does is sleep most of the day.

Everyone's situation is different, I know plenty of people who do not work and the dog sits in the back yard all day. Plenty of retirees who have a dog but are never at home or always travelling (and dog ends up constantly at the kennels). Do you apply the same criteria to them too or just assume because they aren't working they will be with the dog?

No, I apply the same criteria to all enquiries. That is whether they can give the dog a suitable home or not. As you can see from the previous post, "a suitable home" can be different in each situation. What is important is company, socialisation, training, affection, care.

I am over this thread now. Some of you can't read, or wanted to have a go, or are offended. karly 101 didn't need to be offended, my post didn't refer to her. I have to wonder why people who fall very far outside the category are offended.

[Jed]

you assume people who don't work are home all day, every day? What planet do you live on, I'd like to visit one day. It seems whacky and insane.

Thanks, such a charming response. Can't you read either?

Bye bye

Edited December 31, 2013 by Jed

[raz]

What a load of cow dung. I work 24/7. My poor dogs. So glad I bought from breeders who didnt have a rod up their bum.

[WreckitWhippet]

My input is not relevant I've not always had more than one dog and my first pedigree pup was on it's lonesome and I worked full time.

[WreckitWhippet]

What a load of cow dung. I work 24/7. My poor dogs. So glad I bought from breeders who didnt have a rod up their bum.

It's your fault your Pug is nuts , you weren't home enough to mummy it :laugh:

[minimax]

you assume people who don't work are home all day, every day? What planet do you live on, I'd like to visit one day. It seems whacky and insane.

Thanks, such a charming response. Can't you read either?

Bye bye

Best laugh I've had all day.

[karly101]

I think you need to reread your original 2 posts Jed and you will see how people are offended!

Also remember that peoples situations change - they may loose jobs, have to get a new one, get sick. Sometimes the dog can't be the priority and I don't think they should immediately be tarred as being cruel to their dog. There are situations of real animal cruelty and a young dog being alone for 10 hours (if being fed and walked and provided stimulation every day which I agree all dogs should) isn't really one of them.

I don't think a working day alone is the cause of these issues you speak of.. its simply training and lack of mental stimulation. Some dogs lack this even when their owners are home all day.

[Leah82]

what a load of crap

the reason most of the 'disasters' you speak of are from people that work full time is because..... most people have to work full time

we're not living in the 80's here where families can live off one income.

I haven't had a puppy for a long time but we have a 6 year old cocker who we had to get a friend for because he suffered from separation anxiety when he was alone.

This is a dog who spent the first 10 months of his life with his breeder and after that always had another dog around to play with. Can't help but think he'd be better off if he spent more time alone in his younger days :p

[raz]

What a load of cow dung. I work 24/7. My poor dogs. So glad I bought from breeders who didnt have a rod up their bum.

It's your fault your Pug is nuts , you weren't home enough to mummy it :laugh:

lmao. Happy New Year, Warls. Pancake sends Shaney some foot fetish loving.

[Jed]

Amazing how many people on a dog forum think it is ok to leave a baby puppy alone all day by itself.

How caring. Says some special things about a lot of you, doesn 't it? Some very special things!!

[Salukifan]

Of course if you don't work but leave the pup outside to its own devices for most of the time, that's just dandy?

I know a retiree whose dogs never leave the yard - how is that a better home than with someone who makes time and effort to socialise and train a pup?

The problem with such hard and fast rules is that they fail to take into account so many variables. I work full time but I took leave and/or time off at lunchtimes to feed and spend time with baby pups or I arranged for them to have day care with friends who didn't work. They were NEVER at home all day by themselves.

Rather than rejecting a full time worker out of hand, I'd suggest that it would be better to ask "how will you ensure that the pup gets enough time with you?"

As a breeder, Jed is within her rights to send the pups to the kind of homes she chooses. I think she's missing out on some good homes with this rule but it IS her right to decide.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Haredown Whippets